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Getting a quick look at Kanny via Milb.tv... Man it's no secret why some of the younger guys are struggling. No cheap swings. Bush went for the fences on every swing in his first AB. He showed *some* patience, but was very aggressive when he swung.
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13 minutes ago, bmags said:
You are right that he does express that they are changing their approach starting last year. My issue is that what he described their process as in 2016/17 was different than what he described at the time. And again, we have the years of interviews of hostetler saying they needed to start balancing out their system with younger players, and then had the 2017 draft that only had one high schooler, an 8th round pick.
As far as bias, yes, drafting recently has been more productive than in 2001-2010, which was the among the worst in the league. But they have also been picking much higher and crucially, have a CBA that eliminated the spending disparities that occurred prior to 2013.
With the new CBA, and an average first round draft position of 7th since their poor 2013 season and I am not going to do backflips for the increased production. Comparing Keenan Walker (47th overall) and Jared Mitchell (23rd overall) to me isn't quite fair compared to looking at a 11th, 10th and 4th overall pick.
And again, to me my biggest issue is by far their use of 2nd and comp round picks during hostetler's tenure, which again I tend to attribute to an organization-wide mindset of overvaluing more mature prospects due to reduced risk.
But regardless if they took high school profiles or conservative college picks I don't care, they will be judged on those players production. Considering where he has picked and the effort of the org, I'm not quite sold yet. But it may also be the fact that he has more pressure to provide top talent since we don't get any from international still.
I can't argue with any of this, but I think what you're saying has little to do with your original point.
They signed five high school picks (Lency Delgado, Cabera Weaver, Kelvin Maldonado, Gabriel Ortiz, Bryce Bush) last year. Delgado was a fourth-rounder. Bush appears to be a notable late-rounder overslot signing. Is that the progress you're looking for? That's more to your point than what they've done with first-rounders the last several years, and I still say they've been fairly successful.
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23 minutes ago, bmags said:
I think I just hate most this idea throughout that interview that for kw/hahn/jerry they are obssessed with spending the millions on as much certainty as possible.
And I wouldn't particularly mind that if we were picking in the back half of the first round. But we are talking about drafts with 3 picks in top 50, an 11th overall and a 3rd overall draft. The idea that our target should be depth is a poor focus.
It also just goes to this idea that screams out when you read them talk about intl and the draft. They always seem to talk about how young players don't pan out. I think they believe it's a waste of money. When discussing yolbert sanchez, someone mentioned how them being in on him for $2 million is an example of how they aren't cheap. But I kinda disagree, it's not about cheap per se, but it is the idea that they are so nervous about spending money toward more volatile player types. They'd rather spend $2 million with more certainty they get something out of Sanchez than 4 $500k 16 year olds who are most likely never going to make it out of A ball.
That's what I read with this interview. College players for them are a CYA. If they drafted a high school guy 3rd overall and they failed, they are going out on a limb in an org that thinks young players are bad investments. If they draft a college player and they struggle? Well, college players are more likely to "work out", they just got unlucky.
I don't think I got that out of the interview. I think the explanation as to why they were drafting a certain way is concerning, but it seems clear that he was saying they're going away from that.
This predates Hostetler being in charge, but Courtney Hawkins was far from a sure thing. Tim Anderson the same. One of those was a colossal bust, the other is an emerging MLB player. Even looking at second rounders, Keenyn Walker and Keon Barnum were raw/upside players that didn't come from three years of college. People were complaining that the team was just drafting athletes and not baseball players. Then they draft Madrigal and you have a (hopefully different) crowd complaining that Madrigal is a low-upside guy.
You can bash the organization for the first-round picks of Royce Ring, Lance Broadway, Kyle McCulloch and Aaron Poreda, but those picks are all over a decade ago. At some point, you have to separate that bias and look at what we've seen more recently. As far as first-rounders go, they've done fairly well since Anderson in 13. Anderson and Rodon are solid big leaguers. The book is still out on the rest, but the only one that looks unlikely to at least make it to the majors is Burger and that's just due to injury.
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2 hours ago, bmags said:
I uhh, hate this? How does everyone else interpret those paragraphs? I can't tell if i'm reading them correctly.
I'm not sure which part you hate, but it sounds like the philosophy is where it should be now. You can complain about the philosophy they had in 2016 (everyone noticed it and others have criticized it), but at least they're in the right direction now.
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19 minutes ago, raBBit said:
On the contrary, Courtney Hawkins.
Ha, yeah, I wasn't saying it always works out that way. Hawkins was so different in so many ways. Besides, he's currently sporting a 1.389 OPS in AAA!
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14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Bush has had a disastrous start to his season, but I hope they don’t panic and send him to extended. Let him take his licks for a few more weeks and hope you start seeing some gradual gains.
Chris Carter did similar back in the day. He had a strong rookie ball debut after getting drafted in the 15th round out of high school. They put him in Kanny for his first full season and sent him down after 13 games of .130/.231/.261. He mashed in Great Falls and then mashed in Kanny the following year. Carter ended up having some productive seasons in the majors so even if they send Bush to extended before Great Falls, it's not a big deal at all.
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With Eloy up, Kopech rehabbing from TJS, Robert tearing it up and Cease picking up where he left off last year in AAA, the top prospect for the White Sox is an interesting debate right now. If you don't count Eloy, is Kopech still next in line? You could probably make an argument for all three. The rest of the pack behind them isn't doing a ton so far, but the system is crazy top heavy.
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Didn't realize this thread had fallen so far down. Guess I'll do the honors then. The teaser doesn't really show anything considering it's 2 minutes, but the title has me floored.
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4 hours ago, bmags said:
I swear end of April last year Brett Austin was hitting like .300 and by end of May it was like .100.
Barely any baseball has been played. Roberts kind of demolishing is a great sign but he has not been “held back”.
He hit .324 with an .800 OPS in the Arizona Fall League (over 79 PA, which isn't that small of a sample). Sending him to Winston-Salem was comically conservative. That said, I'm fine with waiting until May to promote him. Any longer is starting to waste his time.
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1 hour ago, soxfan49 said:
With the way these idiots draft, once Collins, Zavala, Cease, Madrigal and Robert his the bigs, the farm system will go back to being one of the league's worst
They drafted three of those guys and signed one as an amateur. I get your argument, but naming those guys isn't the best way to do it.
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3 hours ago, DirtySox said:
Man. Cease looks like he would be the best pitcher in the rotation right now. 97 to 98 fastball that he throws for strikes. Drops the curve in as needed. I'd like more of these pitchers please.
He was a little inconsistent with the curve early, but at least he was missing low. By the 5th inning he was really cruising. It was fun to watch.
3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:Just wait until Cooper gets his hands on him and he’ll be throwing low 90’s in no time 😉
Ha, I get that you're kind of kidding, but Cease might be different from some of the other hard throwers in that he has good fastball command. There's not much need to have him slow it down, add movement and control it better. He might want some extra movement on the fastball, but the way he was commanding it today I don't think that's necessary.
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3 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:
The "new" milb app is absolute trash. It was so awesome last year, and it literally went backwards what seems like 15 years this season. Brutal.
I don't like the new desktop version of the website either. The box scores are harder to read and everything on the scoreboard page is unnecessarily big. At least they seem to have good gameday updates for more levels.
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7 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:
So is the Dash no longer a TV broadcast?
Was it just for home games? They're on the road tonight
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Luis Robert first AB 2B. Dude is dominating. Night and day between last year and this year.
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Robert and Collins getting everyone excited for the minor league season. Heck, even Madrigal with two walks is very encouraging to see. I don't really care if Madrigal never hits for any power, but he has to at least walk some to be a good on-base guy if that is gonna be the case. Hitting an empty .300 is still only so valuable.
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Anybody get the early access on Anthem? I played the open demo a couple weeks ago and it was fun. Fun enough to keep me interested in the game. Now I'm hearing the load times are awful and there are other problems at launch. I wanted to play this one based on how cool it looks, but I might be waiting a bit to see how it sorts out through its initial launch.
Besides, I am still chipping away at Assassin's Creed Odyssey. Man that game is long (way too long).
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19 hours ago, ptatc said:
An article in the Tribune said he was going to be out 12 weeks. That is a really long time for this. If true that's really conservative.
I believe they are factoring in getting him a spring training of sorts into that. It's been phrased as he will be out 4-6 weeks and will join an affiliate in 12 weeks. Still seems long though.
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On 1/23/2019 at 4:01 PM, Jenksismyhero said:
That's been my beef with the recent trend of open world games. I used to love Assassins Creed, but the last two games were too big. There's just too much stuff to do and most of it is not different, there's just more of it. Everything becomes too repetitive. Luckily they allow you to play the game as you want (e.g., without doing all the side stuff) so you don't get burned out, but my gaming OCD kicks in and I feel bad for not exploring every inch of the map or not clearing/discovering every area that you can.
I almost prefer the simplicity of Nintendo games and/or movie-like games like Uncharted these days.
I agree regarding the Assassin's Creed games. They are fun, but way too big and not varied enough to make it worth it. I end up burning out multiple times before I finish the game.
On 1/24/2019 at 7:26 AM, soxfan2014 said:Uncharted series, Last of Us (2nd one coming this year), and Days Gone (supposedly April) are good options as well.
Days Gone is an open world I'm pretty sure.
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2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
I believe the new contract kicks in for the 2020 season, so I THINK so unless something else is going on.
Yep. 2019 is still on the old contract so things will be as it has been. WGN will not have games in 2020.
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58 minutes ago, beckham15 said:
https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/12/28/mlb-trade-rumors-manny-machado-yankees-phillies-white-sox
yankees the front runner?
The article SI sourced for that rumor didn't really have any reporting. It was just a recap of things that have been reported mixed with some speculation and guess work.
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2 hours ago, bmags said:
Man that was some game from Javon Pickett. Xavier Pinson will be fun too if he develops on defense and limits his TOs. When Porter went down I just wanted a 500 season and that’s still likely but man what a run the last two games.
Agree about Pinson. He was the least heralded of the freshmen and he looks to have good upside as well as Pickett and Watson. Definitely encouraged about the future. Got a couple 4 stars committed and can continue to develop these freshmen and Tilmon. Jontay's injury really hurts still. This was a tournament team with him and he was really fun to watch.
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5 hours ago, bmags said:
Yahhh Missouri lands Kelly Bryant
Glad they are fielding a team next year. I was really worried when they didn't have a quarterback. Now they have what should be a really good offense.
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On 11/28/2018 at 8:32 AM, bmags said:
I just don’t think Missouri is a program that should move on from good enough coaches without knowing they can get someone better.
What about Barry Odom makes you think he is good enough? I still think he's kind of a bad coach. He might get better, but watching this team was painful in the first half of the season. Played below talent level and then appeared to fix it when they played bad teams (and a sort of bad Florida team).
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On 11/24/2018 at 9:18 AM, bmags said:
I think I’m ready to give Odom an extension.
He had the incredible fortune of inheriting a 5 star QB, but he has done a good job of seeking out innovative OCs, and winning 8 games in SEC with Missouri’s recruiting (which I have a hard time believing anyone could bump into top 20 consistently) is impressive. I mean, see Tennessee, with way more money and prestige, and how much they’ve struggled to have a coach get them there.
I still think he's kind of a bad coach, but he has shown improvement in each of his 3 seasons so that's something. The first year and a half felt like rock bottom. The SEC East is so bad that you can win 8 games without being a top 25 team (at least in the rankings, Mizzou is probably a top 25 team talent wise). The forgiving conference schedule has helped a lot. Florida and Tennessee being trash (in addition to playing Vandy and Kentucky already every year) and Arkansas being the permanent crossover gives plenty of opportunity for wins.
That said, this team should have won 10 games, no question. Losing Hall probably cost them that, but this was a mistake-prone, somewhat unorganized team for much of the season. Odom may get better, but he won with Pinkel's talent this year and probably should have won more. I am encouraged that there seems to be good talent in the underclassmen, but I definitely still have reservations about Odom. If someone wants to take him off our hands (I saw a Louisville rumor get reported), I wouldn't mind.
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I have the same thought, but what if he ends up being the White Sox version of an impact reliever? A guy who is put into high-leverage situations with overwhelming stuff when he's on. Yeah, we'd rather have him be successful as a starter (and the SP depth has taken some blows recently), but I'd take Hansen as a stud reliever right now. Sign me up