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  1. lostfan

    Konerko to the Angels?

    QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 6, 2008 -> 06:52 PM) Why do people just assume you can stick any shmo over at 1B and they'll automatically be at least average defensively? There are skills needed to play there just like any other position. Fields has rarely ever played the position in his career. He's got enough defensive potential to stick at 3B, and shouldn't be moved to 1B unless we acquire a top 3B. Because if you are an athlete like Fields, who does have said skills, you can. A 3B who can't theoretically play 1st is pretty much worthless.
  2. lostfan

    Who likes the Swisher trade?

    QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2008 -> 06:29 PM) I think it's entirely possible that both Floyd and Danks will be roughly "Average" next year, and if that happens, we'll consider Floyd more valuable simply because he's almost guaranteed to give us more innings and remain fresher longer. If both of them are average I think the team really wouldn't be in very bad shape. Danks pitched reasonably well before taking a dive from a tired arm or whatever in the stretch run, and Floyd wasn't THAT bad, with some work he'd make a decent #5 as long as he doesn't blow up and have an ERA of 6.50. It'd just take a lot of luck for both pitchers to reach their highest potential.
  3. lostfan

    Konerko to the Angels?

    QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 6, 2008 -> 06:20 PM) He's an above average offensive 3B. He'd be a below average offensive 1B meanwhile adding nothing defensively. Above average offensive 3B... below average defensive 3B. I don't particularly care how he hits in comparison to other 1Bs, esp. in the AL. Defense disadvantages mitigate offensive advantages and if you go to 1B it's just offset. He is in the lineup providing power numbers and decent speed, that's what's important.
  4. lostfan

    Konerko to the Angels?

    QUOTE(sircaffey @ Jan 6, 2008 -> 02:43 PM) Moving Fields to 1B hurts his value as well. How exactly? As things stand now, he just plain isn't a good defensive 3B.
  5. lostfan

    Who likes the Swisher trade?

    QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 6, 2008 -> 05:14 PM) I think Floyd will out preform Danks in 2008... Just another one of my "crazy" baseball theories. That's not really that crazy. At worst that's unfounded optimism (or pessimism if you're saying Danks will crash)
  6. lostfan

    Who likes the Swisher trade?

    QUOTE(Soxpranos @ Jan 6, 2008 -> 04:50 PM) Well said, not to mention our Pitching sucks . Williams screwed up big time in my eyes. I didn't expect for this team to be 100% rebuilt and ready to contend for the AL in one season though. Step 1 was getting rid of the dead weight, step 2 was adding some youth and speed in the lineup. Step 3 is solidifying the rotation unless Contreras trips and falls into a fountain of youth and Danks and Floyd pitch out of their minds and turn into bona fide MLB starters. Danks I can see pitching well enough for a #4, not sure about Floyd.
  7. lostfan

    Konerko to the Angels?

    The Chicago Angels and the Los Angeles White Sox... I really do hope we find a way to land Figgins though.
  8. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 07:43 PM) Free agency is the only realistic way we can get better. Who... Where... When... ...and how much. What free agent who is out there right now is going to make the Sox into a WS contender all of a sudden? We have question marks/holes in the rotation but unfortunately there is no magic switch that the GM can flip to fix it. Either the guys we have are going to do well or they aren't, that's just how it is.
  9. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 06:54 PM) Then how will we compete? By trading some prospects for major league players? That's a nice theory when you actually have prospects other teams would want to trade for... how how about we bring up some prospects who can contribute a la Joba Champerlin? Oh wait, we don't have any good prospects who we could call up and make a difference. We should've given $100M to Hunter and $350M to A-Rod, just for good measure, no way they could've refused that. Next year we should throw $200M at Johan Santana. But KW won't give all that money to free agents, so he sucks, and we will suck. Geez dude, I thought I was overly critical of KW sometimes, I mean damn.
  10. lostfan

    Crede Minors Question

    QUOTE(JFields27 @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 07:00 PM) yeah oh well when Crede came up what did everyone say, he had great defense hes gonna get everything, but where the hell is his bat. He got his bat with some experience. Fields comes here with a great power bat, and last season he made some very nice plays at 3B and at other times it was just like damn what was he thinking with that, I think he could be taught some skills at the position to make him better I'm not saying he's not going to improve, but hitting tools are more likely to develop than fielding tools, especially if you hit well in every level of the minors like Crede did. Fields, on the other hand, has been playing professional baseball for several years now and it's not like fielding at the MLB level is much different from fielding in the minors, so I don't expect him to become a significantly better defender although he is pretty athletic. It'd be nice if he did though.
  11. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 06:43 PM) The only way this team can compete in the near future is by spending loads of money in FA lol I don't care what sport you're talking about, that is a thoroughly retarded approach to running a franchise unless you have unlimited resources like the Yankees, and even then it's not necessarily the best option.
  12. lostfan

    Crede Minors Question

    I just wish Fields could routinely make plays at 3B that I couldn't make. I guess it's good he isn't Ryan Braun, but damn what a significant defensive downgrade that'd be.
  13. lostfan

    Konerko to the Angels?

    QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 06:28 PM) I'm series, if Kenny makes a Konerko for Santana and Figgins trade, I am done as a White Sox fan until after we finish behind the royals and Kenny Williams dumbass is fired. Yeah... a complete waste if they don't include Vlad in the deal, God knows guys like Thome, Dye, Swisher, and Fields don't provide enough power to this lineup. Oh and I want their best pitching prospect too. It needs to be even more one-sided than the A.J. Pierzynski trade.
  14. lostfan

    Who likes the Swisher trade?

    QUOTE(BearSox @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 06:20 PM) I love it... people complain how we have no prospects and then we go and trade our 3 best prospects, everyone then goes, well their just prospects. LMAO. Meh the farm system just went from really bad to virtually non-existent. There isn't much of a difference. The farm system was already going to have to be rebuilt anyway.
  15. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(Jeremy @ Jan 5, 2008 -> 04:17 PM) Unfortunately, absolutely nothing indicates that will be the case. Buehrle was excellent in the minors whereas Broadway has been very mediocre. Broadway was unimpressive in AAA last year (although not outright bad, either) but to say his whole minor league career has been mediocre is a stretch. Both he and Buehrle were so-so at A and good at AA, Broadway didn't put up good stats when he got called up to AAA though (Buehrle came straight from AA, IIRC). However, I'm not trying to imply that I think Broadway will ever be the pitcher Buehrle is... Broadway doesn't have anywhere near the command Buehrle does so he won't be able to get away with not having overpowering stuff as easily.
  16. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 10:29 PM) Owens could well put up a .350 OBP next year, he put up a .340 obp in his 2nd callup, in sort of an average year cabrera winds up around .320. That's what I was getting at... I guess on a baseball forum where people cling to stats as gospel I shouldn't have stated an exact number like 40, which was intended to be totally random. But it's not at all inconceivable to think that Owens would get on base at a .350 clip with a full seasons' worth of ABs (assuming he'd get it) in his second year.
  17. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 10:13 PM) I like Ocab as much as the next guy, but where do you get the idea Cabrera is a .350 OBP player? He has never posted a .350 OBP, and owns a .321 career OBP. I got lazy, and I looked only at last year's stats. I forgot, I do recall saying a few weeks ago that Owens is better suited to lead off because he was probably going to have about 40 points higher OBP than Cabrera.
  18. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 06:27 PM) Some folks feel that OBP is king when it comes to leadoff hitting. Depends on your perspective. Swisher provides power, but this lineup is already pretty well powered up in the middle. Since everyone else is doing it, here would be my lineup... Cabrera, SS Swisher, CF Thome, DH Konerko, 1B Dye, RF Pierzynski, C Fields, 3B Quentin, LF Richar, 2B While I agree with that mentality, the OBP of Cabrera isn't exactly a liability even if he's a better #2 hitter. You still have all the OBP in the world with Swisher in the 2 hole, I mean to have a guy who could potentially get on at a .400 clip (and 30 HR potential to boot) batting behind a relatively fast .350 type leadoff hitter, followed up by the now-proverbial Thome-Konerko-Dye, I don't mind that at all.
  19. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    Swisher would be the slowest leadoff hitter I've seen in recent memory. In a lineup without Owens, why on earth would you not lead Cabrera off and have Swisher bat second? It would make no sense whatsoever and it's not like anything is lost by having Swisher at the second spot in the order. This isn't like the 3rd and 4th spots in the order where there isn't much difference between which power hitter you have there.
  20. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    QUOTE(Vance Law @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 11:17 AM) Not a personal attack or anything. Just illustrating my point that people will hyper-focus on the question marks surrounding our team (our rotation in this case) and the COMPLETELY GIVE A PASS to other teams with the same or similar ????s. Chisoxfn pointed out how Bonderman's stuff is great but admitted his performance hasn't measured up. If Bonderman were on the Sox all these years putting up the EXACT same performance, a majority of people here would have been calling for his head by his second season (and probably his first). "He's worthless, sell him for a bag of balls, he's a head case, I don't give a crap about STUFF if you can't get hitters out," etc, etc, etc. And that's just Bonderman. That's not even mentioning their 3-5 starters. I do not think Bonderman will ever be any more than he is. Meaning on Monday he's a #3, on Wednesday he's a #1, on next Tuesday he's David Aardsma. He's got a plenty big sample size now, and a pattern established, and if he hasn't developed this elusive "consistency" people say he needs by now after... what... 5 years, he's just not going to. He will always have nasty stuff, but if he ever puts it all together I'll be surprised.
  21. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    Detroit did pretty much mortgage their future for Cabrera though, but their GM has been money in the draft so if I was a Tiger fan I wouldn't worry too much.
  22. lostfan

    Who likes the Swisher trade?

    QUOTE(beck72 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 10:43 AM) KW has "gutted" a farm system that hadn't produced like it should have. So that isn't that big a deal IMO. Instead, KW has brought in young major league talent at the expense of the unproductive farm system. Where KW has made mistakes is not holding the farm system and all the scouts accountable. Or if he was responsible for some of the mistakes made, not owning up to them. Honestly, if the scouting and player development problems are fixed without damaging the MLB team (meaning we do not see another team like the 2007 White Sox for a long while) I'll completely forgive KW and take back all my b****ing over the last couple of years. If all goes well, we really shouldn't notice the nearly complete and total absence of a farm system. However if we are still having players who have been playing professional baseball for 3 years or more in our organization getting called up to MLB and not knowing how to place a bunt, I'll be pissed.
  23. lostfan

    Who likes the Swisher trade?

    BTW I voted yes for the trade, although I hate the fact that our rotation still has a gaping hole in it. But at least another gaping hole is solved, and for the long-term, and at a reasonable cost (e.g. not for the silly price Hunter got). I didn't expect this team to be completely fixed in one offseason, though.
  24. lostfan

    Who likes the Swisher trade?

    QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 4, 2008 -> 09:22 AM) Think about this for a second. KW has basically turned his player development and scouting staff upside down in the past year - he is starting over. If those things result in positive change, it will take a few years, as they draft and develop better talent. So what does that system need to do that? Time. And these younger players who now will be a large chunk of the 25-man roster gives the team exactly that. Time to get the system up and running in its new model. The scouting and player development has been the achilles' heel of this team. I guess it looks a little unorthodox at first and I was wondering how KW was going to overhaul our previously horrible scouting dept but it does kind of make sense. I really didn't expect him to completely (and I mean completely) gut our farm system though. I'd said something in the Swisher thread about the MLB roster being steady for the next couple of years while the bare cupboard down in the minors is replenished with (hopefully) better players as a result of better drafts, so that the farm system could end up stronger if it works out the right way. The way you said it is a lot more thorough though. In the meantime, the MLB roster isn't embarrassing like it was when we entered the offseason, and with a little luck the team could even be contenders.
  25. lostfan

    White Sox Acquire Nick Swisher from Athletics

    Detroit's 2008 lineup, barring major injuries, might even be better than ours was in 2006. That lineup won us 90 games.
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