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    Odubel Herrera anyone?

    In historically embarrassing, incompetent and cheap fashion, the Sox lost out on Manny Machado. This thread is not about him. Let's keep all the murderous rage and legitimate anger out of this thread, and just focus on any possible remaining moves now that that situation is resolved. The Sox seem to be set with an infield of Moncada (3B), TA (SS), Yolmer (2B) and Abreu/Alonso (1B/DH), and honestly, at this point I am fine with that. Alonso is obviously one of the worst possible acquisitions value-wise, but it is what it is now. The OF on the other hand, is a dumpster fire (and would have been with or without Machado). Would anyone here be interested in Odubel Herrera from the Phillies? He's about to get forced out when they (eventually) sign Bryce Harper. He's 27, bats left, can play CF or RF, and while he hasn't been outstanding the last two years, he was darn impressive in 2016 and still could tap into that upside, especially with a change of scenery and an everyday job. Compared to, say, Mitch Haniger, who would cost a Dylan Cease or something, Herrera would come relatively cheap, and still has several years on his contract left. What do you guys think? I'd say Herrera is my guy right now. Anyone else worth considering? Joc? JBJ? Pony up for Haniger or Starling Marte?
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    Odubel Herrera anyone?

    They also have Nick WIlliams and Roman Quinn too. I think it's fair to think Odubel could be available. NBC Sports Philly was speculating about it yesterday.
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    Creative Trades

    I really like this idea. Probably a little light though — throw in Carson Fulmer and an org-type guy.
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    Sox acquire Alex Colome For Narvaez

    I don't mind selling high on Narvaez, but for two years of a relief pitcher? Doesn't seem like the best use of his value. I guess Colome will get flipped for different prospects sown the line anyway.
  5. Yeah, there is just about literally no way a 10-year contract could work out for the Sox. If Harper/Machado bypass their opt outs, that means they are underperforming and overpaid. Best case scenario is they set the world on fire for the Sox, opt out and then become some other team's problem if their performance falls off into their 30s.
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    White Sox trying to trade Avi Garcia?

    The club option makes this interesting. Ultimately though, I don't think Avi would do that. He could just take a one-year contract and hit FA after 2019. The club option hurts him without any real upside for him.
  7. Yeah, right now, this is the Sox' clearest path to getting a big fish.
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    Creative Trades

    Not necessarily. The Phillies will almost certainly get one of Harper or Machado. If they choose Harper, the Sox are left to outbid the Yankees for Machado, which won't happen. But... if the Phillies opt for Machado, the Sox path for Harper would be a little clearer since the Yankees aren't interested. So anything the Sox can do to nudge the Phillies specifically toward Machado could pay off for them in the long run. That said, trading for Santana could open 1B for Hoskins, which opens an OF spot for Harper. So that could be bad. But trading for Franco to open an infield spot could help the cause.
  9. No, in this model, the worst-case scenario is not signing Harper altogether because you wouldn't relent on the opt-out at year three. So instead he signs elsewhere, that team enjoys success in 2020 related to Harper, then he uses his opt-out leverage to get a raise for the remaining years on his contract without hitting the open market. The Sox, meanwhile, save $40 mil/year for three years but have nothing really to show for it.
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    Creative Trades

    Creative trades you say? Angels get: Luis Robert, Nick Madrigal, Dylan Cease, Dane Dunning Sox get: Mike Trout That's four top-100 prospects for two years of Trout. Who says no?
  11. That's just not realistic. Harper is getting an opt out no later than year four. If the Sox want a leg up on the rest of the bidders, they should should front load the contract and acquiesce to the opt out after year three. Sure, it's a serious risk that they lose him after three years, but at least they'd have the leg up on renegotiating with him in that scenario (like ARod with the Yankees, Upton with the Angels, Kershaw last week with the Dodgers, etc.) The greater risk is not signing him altogether. It's better to have Bryce'd and lost than never Bryce'd at all!
  12. Didn't Jason Heyward get an opt out after his third year? I don't see why Harper or Machado would settle for anything less. Give either guy $40 mil/year for the first three years with an opt out at that point. The rest is just details, as chances are very high the opt out is exercised. (If it's not exercised, that's a bad sign and you're probably screwed at that point anyway.)
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    Creative Trades

    I said this elsewhere but I'll put it here too: Sox get: Nick Senzel Mets get: Yoan Moncada, 2nd prospect from Sox Reds get: Noah Syndergaard
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    White Sox Bryce Harper FA pitch spoiler?

    I agree with you here. I personally don't think the Sox will anywhere near the Bryce Harper finish line. But if they were to come close, opt out after the third year is mandatory. Better to have him for three years and then take your chances then not have him at all.
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    Baseball America Top 10 Prospects

    I don't see why not. Dunning supposedly got a clean bill of health today and should be a fast mover through AAA next year. Again, like you said, assuming he's healthy all next year and pitching well.
  16. Or, keeping making the effort to buy out all his arb years and hopefully one year of FA this winter. If he bites, he comes north on Opening Day. I'm sure the Sox have made overtures so far and Eloy has resisted, but it doesn't hurt to keep trying.
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    Rick Renteria Signs Contract Extension, length unknown

    Technically, all this really means is that Ricky is guaranteed more money should he be fired at at any point in 2019 or 2020. Which I think is a good thing for him. With the White Sox though, you never know if it's an iron-clad sign of unflinching confidence.
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    Your Offseason Plan

    Wacky wildcard three-way trade idea: White Sox get: Nick Senzel Reds get: Noah Syndergaard Mets get: Yoan Moncada Rationale: If the Sox are truly ready to move Moncada off 2B and over to 3B, then the question from their perspective simply becomes who will be the better 3B all things considered for the long term: Moncada or Senzel? Moncada has tons of upside, no one is denying that, but as a 3B, I think Senzel is a better bet and a better fit. The Reds are desperate for SP, and here they get a very good one who is signed for three more years. Senzel is essentially blocked for them anyway. Who knows what to expect out of the Mets with their new out-of-left-field GM. Their whole philosophy/approach is unknown and unpredictable right now. They were known to at least test the waters of a SP trade midseason and could be looking to make a splash. The bloom is slightly off Moncada, but he's still a significant return they can plug in right way (at the position of their choosing). There might be some other minor leaguers changing hands to even things out (maybe an extra prospect to the Mets), but those are the main players. Never going to happen, I know, but what do you guys think? Flame away!
  19. But you could argue it would be better to have Machado for three years/$39 mil per than either a. not at all or b. 10 years with riskier performance and a higher bar to meet for a potential albatross contract.
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    Hahn on The Score this morning

    I'm not necessarily against it. If the Sox somehow sign Machado to a guaranteed 10-year deal that pays him $39 million/year for the first three years before never-ending opt outs happen, it could be a boon. I'm just wary that it will be a bad value overall.
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    Hahn on The Score this morning

    And if by some miracle they did, would it be worth it? The contract he's going to get just via market-rate will be insane. For the Sox to beat that, financially and with who knows whatever other concessions (opt-outs, etc.), it will probably end up being something that isn't smart.
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    I agree with this. 2018 was not a good year for development or enthusiasm. The FO will have to get aggressive to propel things forward a bit. The shot in the arm to fans is a nice bonus, but the truth is the on-field product has too many holes to just wait and see what the farm produces anyway. That product could be years away and it will be incomplete at best. You have to start adding sensible outside pieces to the puzzle now when they're available.
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    Sox acquire LHP Manny Bañuelos for Justin Yurchak

    The Sox got a Manny! Just like they said they would!
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    Sonny Gray

    Yeah, if the DBacks pay down half the deal, it becomes attractive to teams like the Phillies and the Braves. The Sox' advantage might be they are able to pay something like $20–25 mil/year. But even with a low payroll, that's a LOT of money to spend on a guy in a non competitive season, plus two more.
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    Sonny Gray

    I don't think Gray would cost that much — he's coming off a bad season, has only one year on his contract and the Yankees are clear on moving him. Any contending team wouldn't really trust him to do much. The Sox are an ideal landing spot. I don't mind the Greinke idea either. He's set to earn more than $30M/year for three more years. The Sox can afford to take on a huge portion of that bonkers contract, but holy crap is that bonkers money.