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    CLE @ SOX, 1:10 PM Central

    Should you challenge flow chart >>>>> Is it the 6th inning? >>>>> Yes you should challenge

    CLE @ SOX, 1:10 PM Central

    MLB and definitely Benetti needs to give the covid protocol thing a rest. There are people lined up butts to nuts for hot dogs in the stadium. The benches can clear.


    Ok, I'll take the bait. What stat line do you think Madrigal can achieve that would constitute fulfillment of said ceiling?

    Carlos Rodon Apology Thread

    I think it is all context. Fans went into the offseason hoping for 2 big starting pitcher additions. They got one. I'm not sure anyone here wouldn't have wanted to give Los another chance. I think they just preferred giving it to him as the #6 starter, or in a competition with Cease for the #5 spot. When fans aren't privy to the budget, the sky is the limit, and even those that were most bullish on Rodon would have preferred other options.


    I don't think even the most concerned fans have ever entertained the fact that he wasn't going to be the starting 2B for the foreseeable future, possibly even the entire window, if even if there was little to no improvement. I think the "hate" is one part fans trying to argue advanced metrics vs traditional stats and the other is people "I told you so'ing" the front office for using such a high pick on a player with Nick's ceiling. Outside of not making any obvious errors, Nick has been the same Nick from the other thread this past week. Yet the victory laps have already begun?

    A Nick Madrigal Sized Sample

    All it takes is one dose of: "You can sign good players but rarely do great players hit free agency in their prime" and you end up in crazy mode. Next thing you know you are scouting the local high school triple jump and reading the national inquirer article about a Middle Eastern little leaguer with 3 arms.

    A Nick Madrigal Sized Sample

    The only remotely comparable player/pick on the list is Colon (who I think was only a college freshman) who was indeed a failure.

    A Nick Madrigal Sized Sample

    Are you 100 years old? Errors and Batting average??? And you even drop an "LOL". C'mon man. I legit LOL'd. I'll try to get past the ridiculousness and respond by saying comparing a toolsy raw athlete prospect to a polished low ceiling college player is not even remotely fair.

    Royals vs Sox 5:20pm Home Opener GT

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    A Nick Madrigal Sized Sample

    I think comparing any of the pitchers taken is apples to oranges. Completely different value and upside components to choosing a pitcher as opposed to a college second basemen.
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    A Nick Madrigal Sized Sample

    I feel like that is in hindsight. Kolton Wong was a 3.5 win player the last 2 seasons and received 2/18 for his two prime years. Cesar Hernandez was great last year and got 1/6 for his age 30 season. The position is very soft. We used a golden ticket and used 6.5 million in bonus money to draft Madrigal. Our fanbase's excitement for having a gritty, American gamer to cheer for during a time where the club was collecting swing and miss position players w/ upside clouded our judgement and still continues to do so. Nick sounds like a player we want to watch and cheer for. That unfortunately does not make him good at baseball.
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    A Nick Madrigal Sized Sample

    Acceptable for an average baseball player or Acceptable for the #4 overall pick in the draft? I think expectations are driving some of the concerns. I personally feel like he has to be at the very least an above average second basemen for the pick to not be a colossal failure. And at this point absolutely everything we have seen tells me unless there is virtually no reasonable path to that for Nick.
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    A Nick Madrigal Sized Sample

    I think it is the lack of a path towards being an above average 2B that is worrisome. We've seen countless from our fanbase say: "I think he'll be fine" and then say something like: "he won't hit for any power but he is gonna hit .300". I hate to break it to y'all but .300 with no power, limited walks and even average defense is not only NOT FINE, but it is downright bad. There is a disconnect from what people think is acceptable for Nick and what would actually be a good player.
  14. When is it ok to start judging Madrigal? 👶 As advertised: Very aggressive approach at the plate. Not as advertised (or at least "hoped for"): Everything else. He is 24 and has played at the highest of high levels since middle school. Seemingly the last guy who might "need some time to get acclimated". The defense has been bad and to my eye not necessarily the result of small sample size mistakes or bad breaks. Nick appears hesitant, awkward and slower than I expected. There are zero signs of the "hoped for" 10 HR power that might be necessary for him to be an above average 2B regardless of his batting average. When you draft the polished college second basemen with the questionable ceiling at slot (6.5 million - huge money for the position)... you are definitely banking on instant impact.
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    What we learned from Opening Day

    What is an acceptable sample size for fan(atics) to be qualified to start discussing the team on a discussion forum?