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QUOTE (SpankyEaton @ May 21, 2016 -> 11:52 PM) Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I was thinking of a few things regarding the attendance today when I was at the park. First off, there were 27,631 people there today. It was a beautiful day and it was a Saturday day game against a divisional opponent that travels well and the Cubs were out of town. Given that the park holds 40,000, what do you all think is a good crowd, considering the upper deck doesn't ever fill up on a consistent basis? I think anything north of 25,000 is a good day at the ballpark. If they could average 25,000 that is respectable. I did wonder what you all thought about giving fans in the upper deck the opportunity to come down and sit in the empty 100 level seats after the third inning of games when it's not sold out or the lower bowl is a decent size crowd. Does that negatively impact anything? Does it cause a problem with the value of tickets if they did this once in a while? And, I saw this article today - some cool history here and it's nice to see both parties get something done for a change. Do you see the Sox ever having an issue like this come up again with new ownership and having to move? A 25K average equals 2 million fans. I think that's amore than acceptable for this franchise in the environment we're in right now. That's also paid attendance. Butts in seats including comps is probably more like 2.4 million.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ May 22, 2016 -> 02:18 AM) Keep this in mind about the future. Jerry Reinsdorf has publicly said more than once that he will recommend that his family sell the White Sox when he dies and told Bob Sirott on Chicago Tonight in May 2004 that he believes his family has no interest in owning the White Sox after he's dead. Plus I've been told by a very good source who was a part of the organization that Jerry's wife has been urging him for years to sell the team and get out but he's refused. That says something I think about how the family feels about all this. Mark And there's just as many rumblings that his son Michael has no interest in selling. And none of this has any bearing on how well the sox draw in 2016, nor does attendance even matter in how healthy the franchise is. There is a multi BILLION dollar tv contract looming. Imagine what someone who's been waiting patiently to run the franchise(if he indeed wants to keep and run the sox) could do with that kind of money...

Him and Cabrera were part of the biogenesis investigation. both have served their suspensions(although Cabrera got time served when the report came out). that said, where do you put him?

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 3, 2016 -> 10:04 PM) Sox CSN twitter 15,025 in attendance tonight at U.S. Cellular Field in a battle of the Sox. #WhiteSoxTalk That's just awful. Were YOU there? If not, stop it with the f***ing fan shaming.

https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/727237445209722883

Do the cubs series. It's going to be nuts this year if both teams are still playing this well.

I don't know why we need to participate in fan shaming. Attendance will pick up as the weather warms and kids are in school less. The strong start is definitely helping ADVANCE sales right now. One guy in a Facebook group (Chicago White Sox Pride and Passion) I'm in just bought a partial plan(pro-rated to 19 games), and I am getting hit hard for code requests on the sites where I promote discount codes. Besides, the real increase will be in 2017, especially if this team is competitive all year.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) $20 says he initially wrote this about the Cubs like everyone else at his dying station, but rewrote parts of it and shuffled some names around to make it about the Sox. Since Ricketts bought that station the Sox have ceased to exist. And you know what? Not a bad idea for Speigs. CBS radio is about to hold a fire sale for all its properties in the Chicagoland market and WLS might be a more stable place to land than WSCR going forward. WSCR's afternoon show has been aggressively alienating listeners on both sides of town for the past 5 years, and if the CBS mothership pulls out of town I dont see it lasting much longer than The Game did. the rumored cumulus deal is simply that: a rumor. it would be a long time until anything is set in stone, due to the feds.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 29, 2016 -> 01:47 AM) If we release him nobody would pick him up cause of the salary, right? That's sad cause I'd like to see him go to the NL. I wouldn't count him out yet once he gets the arm strength fully back. One other thing you guys have to remember ... we have four lefty starters. When you are the worst of the four, it's not easy. The other teams lick their chops that it's not one of the three great lefties. Do Danks a favor and trade him somewhere a team needs a lefty starter. Or put him in middle relief. He's our Danny Duffy. Lose him in the bullpen. Still I can't end a thread without adding ... I love Johnny Danks! a team would take a flyer on him if released, because the sox would be on the hook for the salary. but who needs the 2016 dank aside as a roster filler or replacing an injured starter/reliever? that said, what happened to the guy that was in spring training that corrected tipping his pitches? he looked above average not even a month ago.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 08:54 AM) Because that 3,000 extra in attendance per game is going to provide them the additional $9 million (+$13 million saved on LaRoche) that it's going to take to afford a Carlos Gonzalez or Jay Bruce. https://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensa...cago-white-sox/ The White Sox are at $114.5 million, KC at $131.5 million and the Tigers at $198.5 million, fwiw. You're not going to get that in April weekday games, regardless of start time. The hot start will show dividends in June and July. The key is advance sales. And the sox had a BUDGETED payroll of 125 million. The laroche money was already slotted in the figures.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 20, 2016 -> 09:23 PM) Even with the presence of Sale (Trout for the Angels games), Abreu, etc., it hasn't meant much because of the team simply not winning and/or playing entertaining AND sound baseball for three years now. We're 27th in the majors in attendance at this point. The only teams behind are OAK, CLE and TB. Two of those are teams with stadium issues, one a team which had the longest streak of consecutive sellouts at Jacobs Field but has simply never recovered from two complete sell-offs/rebuilds and another factor was CLE being hard-hit by the 2008-2009 financial crisis. CLE drawing 9,890 instead of the White Sox or Reds (today's crowds) drawing about 3,000 more is around the worst-case scenario...and then you have the stadium lease agreement which has a controversial clause subsidizing attendance if it falls below a certain amount, can't remember if it's 1.2 or 1.4 million. As of this exact moment, we're in first place by 1/2 game over KC and 1 game over the Tigers, with Cleveland trudging along around .500. The sox get free rent if attendance falls below 1.2 million. They haven't hit that in the new park. And last year saw an attendance increase from 2014. I'm not sure why that would be an issue for a club that makes its 125 million dollar payroll simply with tv money.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 20, 2016 -> 12:17 PM) Sox had 15k in the house Monday Night for a 1st place team. I'm pretty sure the rebuild crowds would be similar. Kids in school and in April where advance sales are historically low.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 21, 2016 -> 01:30 AM) Let's face it, Sox are at a possible historic (early 1970s?) low in terms of interest. 2005 was so great cause it was just the opposite. Chicago's Sox took the city by storm. Now?? Wow, if they moved to Las Vegas would anybody but us die-hards care? Bulls***. This is early 2000's attendance. And the losers just so happen to be in thier every few years "this is the year" phase. The difference is that the sox make more money today with less crowds. A sub 2 million attendance in 2003 meant a payroll of 40 or 50 million. Same attendance in 2016 means a payroll of 125 million.

In April and May, the weather is typically worse at night. They should play more day games and try and get the 1:20 appointment crowd.

The sox can't pull a braves like rebuild. The fan base would reject the team possibly more than it did after the white flag and the kids can play era. Is it any wonder why they haven't pulled the trigger on a rebuild or dumpster fire at the deadline or offseason save for July 2013? If the sox went to a $50 million or so payroll full of retreads and kids, the cheap Jew comments about Jerry would blow up boards and social media even greater than they are today. And Jerry is f***ing hated on social media these last few years. The Cubs got the free pass because they are media darlings and theo sold a line of bulls*** about doing things the "right way". And they could financially survive because they have a season ticket waiting list full of brokers and hopeful idiots. Same goes for the actual season ticket holders.

I doubt any gm takes Sandoval without getting the entire contract paid for. And gives up little to nothing. Boston has to eat that s*** burger one way or another.

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 19, 2016 -> 09:16 AM) I mean, he basically got a free lease in that deal, but I agree I liked that more. I think the other museums get similar land deals, but the cost of construction plus the endowment basically meant free museum. And when you consider the Bears get MORE PARKING and other concessions, it was a virtual win win. This just screams rahm bulls*** now

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 18, 2016 -> 07:51 PM) That is when the stadium debt is supposed to be paid off. Sox bonds expire 2029, and bears in 2033

I liked the idea better when they tore up a parking lot to put in a museum a rich guy was paying for completely.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Apr 14, 2016 -> 10:55 AM) That's so much anger. Relax. A guy worth $70mm decided what he thought was best for himself and family happiness wise. Interviews are requested and he spoke, big deal. he's still a big f***ing idiot. ten bucks says jesus freak got busted with a ladyboy.

Hawk's proud of him. It's right by a golf course.

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Apr 13, 2016 -> 02:38 PM) Wait, I never heard this one. Please elaborate. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Td8A1z5SYio&a...FKaSFirbE96zrHK

QUOTE (Dunt @ Apr 6, 2016 -> 02:01 PM) Might be the wrong forum, but I think this clown deserves his own thread. Boy did the Sox dodge a bullet on him. Through 3 today against the Brewers: 3 IP, 5 H, 3 ER, 2 BB, 3 K He's on the Giants. Calm the f*** down. The sox didn't give much up for him, and they got a first round pick for him. It wasn't that bad of a deal. Sometimes things don't work out.

Even if the sox had to pay a dollar, he's a waste of a roster spot.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Apr 1, 2016 -> 01:54 PM) How about the White Sox only pay $13 million for each year and Sandoval is not allowed to bring his son into the clubhouse. The red sox would jump on that hard