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    U.S. Cellular Field history...

    Something Liptak and the author fail to mention is that the Bess Armour Field design was NOT an official design submitted to the Sox or ISFA. It was a SABR project that was published AFTER groundbreaking for what is now known as Guaranteed Rate Field. I hate to link WSI, but they spell it out in the first paragraphs. http://whitesoxinteractive.com/FixComiskey...nversation1.htm Never mind that the Field House for Armour Square park is now under landmark protection, or that you would be displacing a public park that is continually used by residents. Or that you have to buy even more land to build parking for the stadium and surrounding development. But hey, f*** jerry and the city and state for approving a design that was actually submitted for bid review.
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    U.S. Cellular Field history...

    QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 15, 2016 -> 09:56 PM) Would really enjoy if the next stadium blends the best aspects of Comiskey Park and The Cell, with the skyline in the background. That would be the best. Assuming they stay at the optimal location of 35th and the Dan Ryan, they will likely move on the old comiskey site, and possibly absorb some of the armour square parkland. I suspect the park will have a similar orientation as the old park.
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    U.S. Cellular Field history...

    QUOTE (WBWSF @ Sep 15, 2016 -> 04:54 PM) 1)The second level of those useless club level seats serves the same purpose as a level of suites. The next time you go to the park just look how different the upper deck would look if it only had one level of suites. It would have been a tremendous upper deck. 2) I'm in a 27 game package. If they change my section to a 81 game package, I could lose my tickets in my section. If the powers to be make my package where I have to sit in the upper deck I would not renew my package. How's that crack you're smoking? The sox will NOT make you go into an 81 game plan.
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    U.S. Cellular Field history...

    Also, armour field was not feasible. Look at those dimensions
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    U.S. Cellular Field history...

    QUOTE (WBWSF @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 02:38 PM) The 3 levels of suites made the upper deck what it is today. JR wanted 3 levels of suites. 1 level of suites would have made the upper deck a great place to sit. 2 levels of suites would have made the upper deck decent. 3 levels of suites has made the upper deck lousy. It has ruined the park. The 3 levels of suites was ordered by JR. It was his doing and it will be the main reason why no tears will be shed by anybody when this stadium is knocked down. The team is basically giving those upper deck tickets away and still nobody wants to sit up there. I've been a Season Ticket holder for years and if they ever move me upstairs in the upper deck, I will stop going. There are two levels of suites. Facts have a pesky way of making your rant look stupid. Also, the sox really can't "move you upstairs". They make more money from you buying lower level seats.
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    Sox Giveaways

    The problem is that most of the "cooler" premium items are limited run special ticket purchase offers. the Pippen bobblehead is limited to 1000 and you need to buy at www.whitesox.com/chicagobulls I bought the 8/27 game at the box office because the item was 10k at the gates, only to get an offer guranteeing my bobble if i buy on www.whitesox.com/starwars pick a lane, sox
  7. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 20, 2016 -> 05:56 AM) Sure, but teams like the Mariners are earning $70 million more before the season even begins. Minimum, the White Sox would have to be in the $150 million range and probably closer to $160-165 million if they choose to spend themselves into contention (as a strategy). Thry'd have to repeat the 14-15 offseason (but actually be right on each player they targeted) in a market with 1/3rd the talent and twice as much competition. The money has always been there, accompanied by the fear of making a mistake on a big contract of over $100 million. Like it or not, that's the going rate for a middle of the order hitter in his prime. And the sox don't play in a small market like Seattle. They make more in sponsorships and corporate sales than the moroners. Not to mention the tv deal was brokered in 1998/2004. It was above average then.
  8. both need to be fired. And an outside guy is needed to clean house.
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    Frank Thomas wants the Sox to sign A-Rod

    f*** it, why not? as long as k-Hahn is in charge, it's on the table.
  10. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 20, 2016 -> 04:08 AM) Essentially it would be 50% Sox/Bulls, 25% Blackhawks and 25% CSN/NBC Universal unless they can sell off that 20% share in an advantageous way. Right now, the prospects for the Sox and Bulls in 2019 don't look so great...hard to say with the Blackhawks, but they will also theoretically be in the rebuilding stage three seasons from now. More like 60% Jerry, assuming Comcast had an equal share in 2005. And why do you insist that team performance has anything to do with tv contract? The Astros got 75 million when they were losing 100 games regularly. The Padres got 65 million when they are the padres. And of course the Angels get 125 million despite their s***ty ratings(which the sox are below in 2015, but the angels have historically drawn poorly on tv).
  11. QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 10:58 AM) They were on board with letting the team move to St Pete 30 years ago. The MLB owners are not going to stand in the way of any other owner being able to make money, unless of course it cuts into theirs. And the landscape has changed considerably since then. The sox were bought for $20 million in 1981. They MAKE $50 million in local cable rights PER YEAR now. They get another $46 million in national tv rights money. AND the recent MLB Advanced Media /Disney deal of a BILLION dollars for just a THIRD of MLBam's BamTech nets the sox a cool 33 million. For a 1/30th stake in a third of a media company spun off from another profitable media company. The money is there.
  12. QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 10:41 AM) The way the story went, JR wanted the stadium downtown and the city would only give him the deal he wanted if he rebuilt across the street. Thats how Jerry got his sweetheart deal. Jim Thompson and Harold Washington made a deal that ensured that any state funded park(like the one that was built) would not only be in Chicago, but at 35th and Shields. This was brokered in 1987, less than a year after the Addison stadium referendum failed at the polls. The deal was signed on the field. Jerry's contract negotiation skills are what got the sox the sweetheart deal.
  13. QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 17, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) I asked Bob Grim the Sox Director of Broadcast Operations that same question a few years ago. Here is what he said: ML: Have you thought about starting a regional type network for example like the St. Louis Cardinals have? BG: “The issue there is that a lot of the area cable operations just don’t want to take on a channel that’s just going to show ballgames especially if they have to charge a premium rate for it.” “And the issue we have with a regional radio network is that a lot of the “mom and pop” stations that used to be around and aired Sox games in the past just don’t exist anymore. They’ve all been bought up by national corporations and they simply program via satellite from Dallas or Chicago or someplace. The stations simply don’t want to have to pay someone even though it’s probably not a lot, to run the board and insert commercials between innings and such.” ML: Well taking it a step further have the Sox ever had any discussions about starting their own TV network a la the Yankees YES Network? I mean Jerry Reinsdorf owns the Sox, he owns the Bulls and he has a good relationship with the Wirtz Family, they both built the United Center. That gives you three major sports and you don’t have to play second fiddle to the Cubs anymore. BG: “I’ve never personally been involved in any discussions like that but I think it probably has been talked about. Even with those three teams that you mentioned Mark, we’d still have an awful lot of time to fill. You’re talking about 24 hours a day, seven days a week.” “Right now to be honest the Sox simply don’t have the amount of video, classic games and stuff that could be used to do something like that. We’re getting closer though, major league baseball now requires all teams to tape every game and send the copy to New York where they archive it for us. So as time goes on we’ll be getting more and more material that we could use if something like this happens but now unlike the Yankees, we just don’t have material from the 20’s or 30’s that we could use say as a documentary to help fill time. When Jerry and his group took over in January 1981, they looked and any material that the Sox may have had was gone. No one knows where it went or who got it.” ---------- Over the years I've been told by a number of folks both in the Sox organization and outside of it that no one really knows for sure why the Sox don't have a lot of their history. Rich King when he worked at WGN told me they didn't have much on the Sox in their library before 1983. Mike Veeck told me that contrary to rumors, his Dad did not take all that material when he sold the team. I did read a story years ago where when WGN moved into their studios on Bradley Place in 1962 they threw out all those thousands of feet of film they had shot during the 1950's. The story quoted the news director at the time on that...nobody knew it would be wanted or worth anything back then. Jeff Szynal who runs the scoreboard and is basically in charge of Sox historical material told me when he came on-board in 1984 he did a search to see what the Sox had. He found some film reels but they had deteriorated to the point where they couldn't be used, transferred or refurbished. I've been doing my best over the years to try to help the Sox in this regard from out of my library. Last August I sent them 14 CD's with historic audio game action, interviews, radio commercials etc. that I put together over several years. Bob was most appreciative of it. Mark When was this interview? It's horribly outdated. The Sox have a 20-25% stake in CSN Chicago, and Jerry's combine dholdings make him a majority voice in the network. And he put in charge Jim Corno, who he hired to run sportsvision(and later the dolan owned sportschannel and fsn-chicago). Oh, and when the cubs open their own network(with or with out Comcast as a partner), jerry has right of first refusal on the sale of the cubs' stake in CSN-Chicago. He pretty much owns his own network.
  14. QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 16, 2016 -> 11:44 PM) Why don't the Sox start THEIR own network. Seriously.They did. TWICE. It's just that one was scrapped too early. Who do you think set up CSN-Chicago? The tribsters were more than happy keeping the FSN/CLTV split on cable, and Bill Wirtz was Bill Wirtz.
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    Chance The Rapper +8 others concert @USCF

    QUOTE (soxfan18 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 11:33 PM) Blows my mind that this is cheaper than the friggen NIU game. I know it's 2 different groups running these events, but feel like they could've gotten more for this than they did. Festival goers have no issue dropping a lot more than $50 after fees even for bad views. because niu doesn't project a sellout.
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    Trade Deadline: Sox Make No Moves

    This franchise is a joke.
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    Crain's Business Story on Attendence...

    QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 2, 2016 -> 12:21 AM) I was actually kind of shocked they were offering SOME $5 tickets for recent games...at least online. Thought $10 was the close to the absolute floor for most MLB tickets these days. Sox sell tickets at $7 almost every game except Sunday's, where they have $5 tickets.
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    Crain's Business Story on Attendence...

    QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 30, 2016 -> 05:27 PM) Apparently, they had a ton of kids' groups/summer field trips/comped tickets today. 26,000+. Comp tickets don't count toward attendance figures. But yes, Thursday was "summer fun day" where they offer tickets to day camps and other summer programs.
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    Cleveland outdrew us? Attendance down 13% so far

    Now that the sox are back to being a s*** team, I think this attendance talk is silly. We'll actually now be a crap team that drew decently, assuming 1.9 million tix have already sold according to tv reports.
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    Cleveland outdrew us? Attendance down 13% so far

    Meanwhile, the last home stand drew well. The attendance rose in each game Of the Houston and kc series, with 34k on the value Sunday game. And the Cleveland games drew close to the seasonal average of 20k, with 22k on Wednesday AFTERNOON when kids are in school and mom and dad are at work. It's trending upward, despite what out of town fans have to bellyache about.
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    Cleveland outdrew us? Attendance down 13% so far

    QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 24, 2016 -> 09:49 PM) Driver'sseat, while that's true, how does that help them monetize those games in the future by a factor of 2X??? Obviously they're earning money (more per game from CSN than WGN), but it's notoriously been difficult to get fans to pay more (or at least something, when it has been free to an extent). It's kind of like the analogy of it being much easier to lower prices that are perceived to be too high than it is to get someone to pay a fee for a service they've been consuming free of charge. Fans have no problem paying for games as the sox have been on sportschannel/fox sports Chicago/ csn Chicago for over 25 years. I've had sox games on cable continuously( aside from a small stretch where my condo satellite package only had 32 channels and I refused to pay directv for the up charge ) since 1989 when my mom got Chicago cable tv ( now called xfinity after a series of mergers and contract swaps). Back in the days where you waited all day for the cable guy to come. People are Long used to paying for games on tv. We just never had carriage problems like in other markets( early years of YES for example) because Jerry insisted that csn make the necessary deals as the expense of a more Lucrative contract.
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    Cleveland outdrew us? Attendance down 13% so far

    QUOTE (InTheDriversSeat @ May 24, 2016 -> 06:40 PM) http://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/201...2/#3a608234c04e I have serious doubts regarding the accuracy of this story. Anyone will notice next to 'White Sox' at 29th place, 'CSN Chicago' is identified as the RSN (Regional Sports Network). Is Forbes / Nielsen even aware that 55 White Sox games are not airing on any Regional Sports Network at all? Does Forbes or Nielsen realize that 55 Sox games are airing on WGN-TV or WPWR-TV, 2 over-the-air TV stations in Chicago along with a string of about 10 over-the-air affilates in Iowa, Illinois, and Indiana? Is Forbes / Nielsen counting the games that WGN Sports broadcasts as '0.0'? (because the games are not aired on the RSN indicated on the chart). Until Forbes gets the actual broadcasters correct who have contracts with the respective teams, this story has no legitimacy in my opinion. By the way, the vast majority of MLB clubs have gone with the cable-only RSN route for the entire season, while only around 6 clubs broadcast provide their fans with some games on free over-the-air television. In Chicago, White Sox & Cubs fans get 125 games total airing on free television (WGN-TV, WPWR-TV, WLS-TV), which is more free telecasts than the rest of the country combined. . wgn games aren't factored in the numbers for both teams. OTA broadcasts are paid differently. And quite frankly,I don't think the sox number of games on wgn will decrease in 2020. They LIKE having OTA broadcasts mixed in. And wgn places them typically on weekends, going after the " lets go see mom" crowd as well as the " I have the tv on in my garage while I'm working" guys. There's a reason the nfl has so many games on "free tv" on sundays
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    Cleveland outdrew us? Attendance down 13% so far

    You place too much emphasis on "things that need to happen" on the tv talk. The Rangers were not that good of a team heading into the fox extension. In fact they had just Clinched their first division crown in 11 years when they signed with fox. ( and emerged from bankruptcy court and newly sold). The sox deal is about comcast( or any other network partner) making money over 20-30 years. Not whether Tim Anderson makes the all star futures game in 2016.
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    Cleveland outdrew us? Attendance down 13% so far

    QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 23, 2016 -> 08:15 AM) Let's just put it this way, for us to really get anywhere near that kind of Angels money (a jump of more than 200%), we need to make the playoffs at least 2 of the next 3/4 years... And the timing is a challenge, where all of our best young players (Sale, Eaton, Quintana and Rodon) will be having their contracts expire right around the the time we start re-negotiations. Of course, a lot COULD and will happen between now and then. Tim Anderson might become a dynamic All-Star caliber SS and quiet team leader. Carson Fulmer and Adams fill out the back end of the rotation...we sign another big name FA from Cuba, Korea, Japan, etc. On the other hand, Abreu might have already peaked and we're an injury to a key player or two from being stuck in another "holding pattern" like last summer and putting all our cards into making the playoffs in 2017 before we have to replace 40-50% of the starting line-up in an "average" free agent market at the conclusion of that season. Or have a broadcast partner lose a lucrative contract. Which is what happened in LA. The Dodgers and lakers left, forcing fox to spend to keep programming on thier RSN. The sox may see a similar situation unfold as the Cubs leave. Quick sidebar, how much does fox regret selling the Dodgers for 400 million?
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    Cleveland outdrew us? Attendance down 13% so far

    jerry already controls 40% of the channel and they are virtually debt free and are able to absorb the danks contract. I don't see why there is this obsessive need to think the sox are doomed financially. The attendance is trending upward and tv ratings are up. This franchise could be doing better, but they are nowhere near the level that dollar bill buried the Hawks.
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