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QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 09:34 PM) Watch the write-ups then of Reinsdorf's so-called "legacy" in a few years when his tenure as owner of both teams has ended. They won't seem so "separate" when all of that nonsense begins. The narrative has already begun in several fluff pieces: Reinsdorf being described as "so awesome" for the city of Chicago because he brought "seven" championships to the city. He brought six Bulls trophies to the city of Chicago along with the lonely ONE and only ONE championship achieved on the South Side over his nearly 40 years at the helm there. Certainly very impressive for the basketball franchise; not-so-much for the baseball franchise, not over a forty period. Reinsdorf is somehow being made a hero in this city because he's been compared to the losing likes of the Tribune Company, the McCaskey's, and Bill Wirtz. Can you imagine any faint praise greater than this!! We ought to watch out for the favorable journalistic license already underway to conflate this guy's record during his time on the South Side with that with which Michael Jordan allowed him to achieve with the Bulls. Make no mistake: Reinsdorf's last chance for salvaging his legacy with the Sox is tied to this rebuild. If under Reinsdorf's waning days of ownership, Hahn can manage to acquire and develop the kind of players that will lead to a level of achievement manifesting itself in the organization's FIRST-EVER display of sustainable postseason play, then MAYBE Reinsdorf's legacy will withstand historical scrutiny. Otherwise, he'll simply be lumped in with the Allyns and the rest of the organization's owners responsible for the team's sad record of futility, and it'll open up a golden chance for the NEXT OWNER to achieve what no other Sox owner has managed to achieve: a winning Chicago White Sox baseball organization. and?

They are separate ownership groups and separate legal entities. While there may be some promotional deals worked on jointly, that's the extent the teams are "connected" aside from the chairman being the same guy. Rocky Wirtz owns a piece of the team, but you don't hear the hawks recent trades being done to "clear payroll" for a bulls signing. Even if the ownerships were to merge(Like when the Yankees merged with the nets and later bought the devils), there are clear lines of delineation that have to be respected. League rules prohibit money from one team paying for the other. Not to mention possibly breaking the law.

I just jumped in this thread and I see the epic stupidity of "will the sox move? And where?" All over it. Face facts: The White Sox Will NEVER EVER EVER leave Chicago They are two years from a franchise altering tv deal and still have 13 years to go in an ironclad lease that favors the sox very well. Anyone who thinks that they are leavin this market has serious head trauma or an idiot.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Mar 11, 2017 -> 03:22 PM) When you say that the franchise has bottomed out, I wish I could agree with you but I can't. One of my friends that works for the White Sox has told me that the team has a base attendance of 1.1 million.He doesn't think the team will ever draw less than that amount. If this team is as bad as I think it is AND if the 2018 White Sox are even worse than the 2017 White Sox I can see the franchise returning to the days of 1966-1971 when the team drew less than 1 million per year. Hope I'm wrong but I don't think I am. Are you on smack? They haven't dipped below 1.5 million in 20'years. And opening day plus the Cubs and buehrle games will be 160k right there.sox ticket and marketing programs also take advantage of those indemand games and use them to boost season and group sales. I doubt they ever average 15k a night again.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 12, 2017 -> 07:02 AM) There was already craft beer all over the park. Blue moon dosent count. 100 local and regional Brands not owned by miller or InBev? That's unprecedentedly awesome!

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Mar 11, 2017 -> 11:01 AM) Losing somewhere between $7-$10 million dollars a year from Miller Beer advertising can't be a good thing or a smart move. Seems miller was low balling them. The calculated risk Is that a short term deal may net them a bigger deal down the line. AND they have an opportunity to grow the Latin fan base at the same time. I know craft drinkers are happy with this as more taps will be formloxal and regional brands.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Mar 11, 2017 -> 08:49 AM) This is another low point in the JR ownership. The team can't get a major beer sponsor on their TV + Radio broadcasts. Some people have posted that the White Sox will receive a new TV deal in 2 years. I really wonder how much the team will get from that deal. The next 2 seasons are going to be brutal and I have to wonder if the team is going to get any big offers from any TV station. And they are going all in on craft beer. They are doing something. No local team is doing. I actually think this is a smart move. It's only a 3 year deal, so hopefully they are in a spot where sponsors want to join in by 2020, the first year of the new tv deal.

List17 and CLUB17 are today's codes

Sorry guys. I'm home with the boys today so I'm not on top of these things as I normally am.

New code 108791

Thursday 10AM code is CLUB17 Thursday 1PM code is LIST17 Buy tickets at http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/ticket..._singlegame.jsp

Wednesday Pre-sale code is 162594. Please post here if it's not working. Buy tickets at http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/ticket..._singlegame.jsp

https://www.yelp.com/topic/chicago-2017-chi...ng-day-and-more Tickets go on sale to the General Public on FRIDAY, March 3rd, at 10AM Central Time. Online at whitesox.com, and at 1-866-SOX-GAME phone orders ONLY. Sox Box Office sales at Gate 4 (35th and Shields) begin FRIDAY, March 3rd at 10AM. . Here's the PRE-SALE dates: 81, 27, and 14 Game Season Ticketholders: WEDNESDAY, March 1st, @ 10AM - 10PM ONLINE ONLY Sox Pride Club Members: THURSDAY March 2nd, @10AM -10PM ONLINE ONLY Black List(Sox Newsletter) members: THURSDAY March 2nd @1PM -10PM ONLINE ONLY The best chance at Cubs/Sox tix or Opening Day are if you have a ticket plan of any sort. But they do set aside tix for all the presales. Ticketbastard fees apply for Phone and Online orders. No fees at Sox Box Office. You can use an MLB.COM Gift Card on online orders, but NOT at the box office. White Sox gift cards can be used at the Box Office, but NOT online. Sox also accept Comiskey Cash for ticket sales at the Box Office. Vouchers are also good at the Sox Box Office. The Holiday Pack ticket vouchers are one example

QUOTE (bmags @ Feb 11, 2017 -> 09:10 AM) This isn't true. Ilitch financed at least 60% of the cost to build Comerica. Detroit pitched in $80 million, but will end up being 120 million or so over 30 years. Little Caesars arena is getting quite a bit more, but will also house the Pistons, who I can't find if they are pitching in a dime. The state is financing no more than $450 million for that stadium. The total cost is $750 million, and the Ilitch's are financing another $200 million in development around the stadium. It also moves the pistons from the suburbs back to Detroit. He also moved his business to headquarter in Detroit and spent a lot of money revitalizing Detroit. Yes, he's getting financed, but that's not free. the city of Detroit, which was in bankruptcy, gave 650 million in tif money to make mike illitch even richer. Because he owns the land around the arena!

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Feb 10, 2017 -> 06:26 PM) Tigers fans have to be sad about his passing. He did everything he could to bring a winning baseball team to Detroit. I wish he would have owned the White Sox. Zero titles and they were only "good" or free spending until after the hard cap was introduced in hockey. Oh, and he fleeced a bankrupt city for TWO free facilities.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 04:46 PM) Fox makes a ton of sense. FoxSports Chicago folded after CSN came along. It would get them back into the Chicago market. Don't forget the Cubs are on abc-7. ESPN may want to launch a local station

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 08:13 AM) Well whatever channel they are on that replaced WCIU and WGN. You know what I f***ing mean. I can't get local Chicago channels 180 miles away. Sox are on WGN and CSN. With rare espn/fox/tbs appearances sprinkled in.

QUOTE (southsidepride15 @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 01:14 PM) Anybody still a member? What section is the "Sox Pride" section that they offer tickets in? Otherwise worth the $30 to be a member? I don't think I've been a member since like '09 and was just wondering what you guys thought.... They are seats near the left field corner seats. But that is a minor perk for years now with declining attendance. the better perk is the pre-sale access and the fisk bobblehead.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 22, 2017 -> 04:18 AM) Problem is my cable provuder is also my internet provider and they require a tv package to get their fiber optic internet so if I get Directv or Dish I'm paying for tv twice. Even then that doesn't solve my WCIU problem. I can't get those games in any way, shape or form. Tried OTA and I'm just too far away to get a signal. the sox don't have games on WCIU.

QUOTE (ChrisLikesBaseball @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) This is an improvement, but still not an optimal solution. I've had X1 for a year or so, and a major perk of that package was that I could stream local games to my computer/iPad while on my home Wi-Fi. What I really want is to be able to bounce around games on MLB.TV. The online/AppleTV apps are well done, immersive and include picture-in-picture and I really want to be able to stay in once baseball-focused interface. You can still buy MLB.tv. The sox games can be viewed on thatbplatform when your account is authenticated

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 10:21 AM) So if I'm reading this correctly I would still need to have CSN Chicago to be able to stream right? MLB just doesn't get it. I'm willing to pay for the f***ing MLB.tv just let me watch the f***ing games. They leave me no option but to illegally stream it. They're taking money out of their own pockets. When teams get BILLIONS for tv rights, that's how you get streaming.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 09:41 AM) Couple of thoughts This is a blow to Cubs owned station if MLB does not green-light streaming for them. Would I be able to watch the Sox anywhere if I have a cable package? Depends on the partner they choose. ESPN, fox, and NBC all have streaming deals with mlb. Not sure what turner sports has set up.

I doubt this is in the works right now. Maybe after he's out of office. I mean, he still has a job to do until mid january. As for how true this is, I suspect the sox (via Scott Reifert, his one time neighbor) have sent feelers out to his staff about a partnership. I could see him taking a president or vice chairman role even with little equity in the team. But I also see him doing that with the bulls, a more likely choice given he's more of a basketball guy. If the sox were looking at securing stadium funding after 2029, having someone with as much political capital as Obama in your ranks helps.

if they do that, f*** this organization.

Did any ticket holder NOT get the renewal letter/package? I havent gotten mine yet.