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3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
lol...do you actually understand how rebuilds work? Like it’s beyond amazing how many people point to the lower payroll as a sign of cheapness when slashing unnecessary spending is step 1 of any rebuild. Every team that has gone through a rebuild, the Astros, the Cubs, etc. has done the exact same thing.
As for your other point, rebuilds don’t normally lead to attendance increases & TV ratings improvements while the losing persists. The fact that those are up is proof the fanbase was completely disgruntled over our previous attempts at winning and are excited to watch a plethora of exciting young players. JR did not kick off a rebuild thinking fan interest interest would be better while losing 90 games and that he could capitalize off that financially. This shit is uber nonsense.
both those clubs had bad contracts for a while in the first phase of each rebuild. the cubs had alfonso soriano until 2014.
the sox were lucky enough to move team friendly contracts for prospects quickly, and used a dumpster find (kahnle) to move the real bad paper (robertson and fraizer). big difference when the "dump salary mode" i less than a calendar year.
as for the attendance and ratings? they still draw less than 2013, which was a dumpster fire, but when your team is slighly better than dogshit for the first time in a few years and the sox keep offering flash sales and ballpark passes, you draw a little better. i mean, they were offering summer weekend games for $7.04! in the lower deck! -
On 10/5/2019 at 4:22 PM, wegner said:
This topic got me wondering about 2nd place finishes for the White Sox and I looked back in the 1950's.
In 154 game seasons, the Sox won 94 games in 1954...91 games in 1955...85 games in 1956...90 games in 1957...82 games in 1958
They won 94 games in 1959 to make it to the World Series.
Since I was not born until the mid 1960's, I wonder what it felt like to root for teams that were good enough to win quite a few games but always fall short of the Yankees and Indians mostly?
that was a completely different time and place. the way teams were built (and bought) and postseason alignment was radically different then. The yankees were able to sign ANYONE of value and if they needed depth, they just went to their farm team the Kansas city athletics and poached what they wanted. If there was a two division format then, the sox would have made several ALCS type playoff rounds.
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On 10/5/2019 at 12:23 PM, The Sir said:
This is totally false. Just look at the transition from 2005-2006. We won it all and then proceeded to upgrade Orlando Hernandez into Javier Vazquez and Carl Everett into Jim Thome. Our only downgrade was replacing Rowand in CF with a failed prospect. AFAIC, that counts as trying to to put them over the top. It’s not JR’s fault that our four aces from 2005 more or less sucked in 2006, or that the entire bullpen stunk in 2006 besides Thornton. From an ownership perspective, what more could you have wanted? They got the players, and the players blew it.
they got jim thome at a discount. philly wanted ryan howard as their full time 1B, and were willing to give the sox $22 million to move thome to get it done.
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1 minute ago, WBWSF said:
Does anybody know how much more the TV deal is paying the White Sox? I haven't read anything as too how much the new deal is worth.
no terms announced, but the ownership stake is larger and i doubt they would have kept the same deal financially, seeing as the network is now in a dispute with dish and directv.
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Just now, Chicago White Sox said:
This narrative is ridiculous, the Sox did NOT rebuild for financial reasons. I don’t care how much some of you hate Jerry (and I’m not a fan of him myself), the purpose of the rebuild was 100% well intentioned with the ultimate goal of becoming a sustainable winner long-term. There is no conspiracy theory here.
they were losing badly with a 125 million dollar payroll. now they are losing with a 70 million dollar payroll. but attendanc eis actually up and tv ratings on the station they part own are up.
do the math.
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On 10/5/2019 at 12:28 PM, Jack Parkman said:
That is the one exception, and you don't get a free pass coming off of a WS. Everyone's arm fell off that year. Garcia showed up to ST throwing 86 mph. Contreras and Buehrle were good in the first half, and sucked in the 2nd half. They still haven't recovered in CF from trading Rowand, but nobody complained about giving Anderson a chance. Garland went back to being Garland. If the pitching would have held up they would have won 100 games that year but whatever. When it was obvious that Anderson was failing they could have gone and grabbed a CF and Bullpen help.
I'm done litigating the 2006 Sox.
at one point in the 2006 season, SEVEN out of nine starters in the sox lineup were hitting better than .275. the two that were WELL under? Juan uribe and brian anderson.
now which player was criticized by the manager for not hitting and replaced by rob fucking mackowiak? it wasn't the guy who made a hot dog play in the world series and eventually had his fat ass immortalized on a gate 4 plaza relief, i can tell you that. never mind that the rookie was an above average outfielder and you just traded for a guy that effectively replaced the production of both your 2005 DH combo AND your 2005 center fielder.
i'm tired of this anderson 2006 bullshit. juan uribe sucked that year, but his buddy ozzie never talked about about his fat ass and horrible defense. you DON'T NEED your number 9 hitter to be a batting champ in the american league!
and let's be honest, rowand was overrated. people liked him because he was a bears fan and ran into walls. look at his giants tenure for proof. -
On 10/5/2019 at 10:59 AM, Chicago White Sox said:
I think you actually might be insane.
Also, why is he rebuilding right now if the goal is 2nd place finishes? That’s goes completely against your claim.
because it's CHEAPER! the sox got three cost controlled prospects AND 60 million dollars in bonus payments and penalties for three years of a cost controlled chris sale from the red sox.
the sox get a pass from the national and local media for cost cutting during a "rebuild" because the recent evidence (2015-2017 WS winners) makes them "smart" not cheap. The payroll has drastically dropped the last three years, and the sox were able to trade most of their bad paper for cheaper prospects. meanwhile, ticket prices went up 12% as the sox now charge you tax above the ticket face value, and the tv deal was re-upped at a significant increase.
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On 10/3/2019 at 12:36 PM, chitownsportsfan said:
What? Seattle has some of the best in the business. Dave Sims is a bit over the top but has a classic play by play cadence. Blowers is solid as the sunshine blowing ex player that will occasionally make a biting critique (similar to Stone). Aaron Goldsmidt, who rotates with Sims is solid and many would say he's their version of Benetti. And Rick Rizzs is a worthy successor to David Niahaus.
Hell, Seattle might have one of the best radio and TV crews in the league.
it may have gotten better as the one guy died. i listened once years ago and almost chopped my fingers off to dull the pain of listening.
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On 10/4/2019 at 6:31 AM, Eloy Jiménez said:
I mean, only a few short years ago we had the worst announcer in baseball full time. Hawk after about 2007 was a trash.
But to answer the original question, I don't think Jason's going anywhere for a long time.
hawk was nowhere near the cream of the crap.
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He’s on track to pass the jerry loyalty test.
So yes, his number will get retired. And a statue.
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2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
It will depend on who wants the job. How many different fill-in guys have we seen for Stone already? Any of them could take it, but honestly...if AJ was serious about wanting to go into broadcasting....
He has a young family and he doesn’t “need” the paycheck. The fox gigs fit him nicely.
Maybe in 5-10 years, when his kids are older, you see him here.
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17 minutes ago, reiks12 said:
He is becoming the best announcer in baseball. I know some people here disagree with that but if you go over to /r/baseball and mention him you will have tons of people from other teams comment about how good he is.
I like Jason, but even his haters would have to admit there is some horrible announcing around the league. Seattle comes to mind.
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20 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said:
I don't think the national gigs pay as well as the local gigs for guys like him.
Singleton left but there are numerous like Charlie Steiner and the guys in Baltimore and SF that were ESPN guys that left for local gigs that still do national stuff periodically like John Rooney and Benetti.
Singleton took a tv analyst role when he left the Sox. He’s all over the ocho’s baseball broadacasts. Doing occasional radio games is part of that.
Jason is a part time play by play guy. For guys like him, a local gig is the dream. It pays more in the long term. Dave wills LOVED doing pre and post for the Sox, but he left for a play by play gig. He said in an old WSI interview (before he left for Tampa), that was always the goal. Play by play. If the Sox gig opened, he would have loved it, but at the time Rooney was going nowhere.
Jason is going nowhere. If anything, you may see a part time broadcast crew(which is not unusual now) fill in the gaps if espn has him do more baseball
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11 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
I did read.
People have said repeatedly his contract would pay for itself and it's just not true.
Yes, someone said it may be short lived but then who cares? What's the point of bringing it up.
I agreed to his point. Your comment was not needed or wanted.
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16 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
From MLBTR from April 11,2019 https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/04/mlb-releases-2019-20-international-bonus-pools.html
Major League Baseball has released the bonus pools for each team for the 2019-20 international market, as Baseball America’s Ben Badler provides. There are no longer any carryover spending limitations from the prior international system, so every team is free now to operate without limitation under the new rules — though there is one organization that still faces a notable limitation. (Braves)
Also from MLBTR for the 2018-2019 signing period.
Under the previous CBA’s signing system, teams were penalized for going over their pool limits by being limited to signing players for no more than $300K. Eight teams (the Astros, A’s, Braves, Cardinals, Nationals, Padres, Reds, and White Sox) are still under this penalty for the 2018-19 international pool, though seven of them will be able to exceed the $300K once the 2019-20 int’l signing period opens on July 2, 2019. The Braves are the exception ..
The Sox traded Jones in late July so the Sox were able to exceed the 300K limit after July 2nd, 2019. They gave up $1M of the slot money to the Rangers. They got 2 pitchers in return but as many here and on twitter thought it was a very strange deal .
And again in case you missed it many teams made signings before the Sox were in the penalty. What did the Sox do? Do they have anyone valuable to the team now because of signing some 16 yr olds before the penalties like the Twins did /6/7/8 years ago.
The Twins are just a small sample of teams that got great value from that money just as the Sox couldve done had they kept Tatis or spent it on others in the Tatis years or before the Robert penalty. No argument can be made otherwise. Ad apparently what you just told me since I gave you proof from MLBTR was wrong and the things you got right like the 300K limit I had already posted .
Tatis was worth 27 million dollars of James shields’ salary and getting Erik Johnson the hell out of dodge.
Thats all jerry cares about. The jones trade clears payroll to increase profit. Losing the international pool money is nothing to him.
Because that “free money” isn’t free. It’s mlb telling teams what they are looked to spend as international signing bonuses.
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12 hours ago, poppysox said:
The Sox have as much or more free agent AMMO as any team. The big money teams have luxury tax issues and expensive players they are already paying. We can get Cole or any free agent we desire. There is no excuse not to have a great team next year. Jerry...Spend the money!
No excuse. But the Sox have a reason they won’t spend. It’s called jerry reinsdorf.
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49 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
This numbers means nothing if the contracts impede on winning going forward. That one year attendance bump would be cancelled out by the decline caused by bad contracts weighing down your payroll and preventing you from winning.
You should read before you post. And not just my reply.
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On 9/30/2019 at 1:06 PM, Dick Allen said:
I also think if they had signed him or Harper, fan interest would have rapidly picked up. They would have sold more tickets, and more parking spaces, and more beer, and more churros. It might have been short lived, but it would have happened.
That’s exactly what happened in San Diego and Philadelphia. The two teams with the largest increase in attendance from 2018 to 2019.
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2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
They've traded it a few times in the near past and before that. The most recent was withTX to take Nate Jones meaning they had money they could have used but didn't.
Other times when they were in the penalty they could only sign players at 300K or less. That means they could have used all the money but on more inexpensive types but chose not to do the quantity over quality type signings.
My main point is use the money MLB gives you to sustain success instead of discarding it. Guys like Robles and Acuna and many others come from that money. There are many success stories out there and Sox have none because they ignored it and had the Wilder scandal. The one success story they could have had was traded away , Tatis, Jr. Accumulate assets. MLB gives each team free money to do just that and its largely been squandered until Luis Robert . A part of the Twins success this year is based on 3 guys they developed through IFA. The Nats have Robles, Braves Acuna and on and on.
The Sox had severe international pool penalties for signing Robert. They cannot exceed a certain amount of international bonus pool money in 2018 2019 and 2020.
They are trading gift cards for restaurants that are in another town for a coupon for one in their town.
Jones salary was picked up by tejas. The pool money was just a cherry on top.
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I have a question.
Why would the white Sox, who TRADED sale three years ago for kopech, moncada, basabe, AND 60 million dollars(Boston paid for moncada’s bonus and penalty), want to trade any top prospect for an older and beat up Chris sale that is owed 150 million dollars over the next five years?
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Not at all. Not with this front office.
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On 9/11/2019 at 4:34 PM, DirtySox said:
I did. 22 hours ago.
Good for you.
Rumor: Reinsdorf aims to build second place teams
in Pale Hose Talk
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that $125 million payroll was them trying to "win" yet they lost badly.