soulfly

Yea but you can't spend a dollar if you only have 50 cents. Or whatever that dumb fuck quote was. You'll get Eaton 2.0 and you will thank us, says the front office.

I suggested trading him for the following reasons. You hopefully use the trade to fill the whole Hahn created at 2B, or RF and get a pitcher that can both play on the big league club next season. They have far too many holes and no way there is enough money to fill them all. Then you slot Vaughn in RF, freeing up a roster spot for Sheets. It isn't about selling low on Eloy at all. It's about using him to upgrade the team in other positions which they sorely need. We aren't the Dodgers with a 450 billion dollar payroll. Hahn is going to have to get creative to upgrade the team and I think Eloy is an opportunity to do that.

Yep. Shameful. It's amazing how a powerful union can keep all these guys employed. Some of them are fucking down right awful at their profession and there are zero consequences for it. Calls like that should able to be challenged and robo strike zone can't come soon enough.

Awful call to end the game. You don't call that from first unless you know for a fucking fact that he went. Which he didn't. Umps are trash.

Well isn't that just great. We were already in worse shape this off season than we were after last off season. This just keeps that train rolling. Dude is going to fuck up this whole window, isn't he? I just don't see how this same core actually gets better and gets over the hump with Tony at the helm next season. That said, we still all knew he was coming back. Doesn't mean it doesn't suck.

I think that's why we said specifically over Tony, haha.

Oh man I would take Ozzie back in a heartbeat over Tony. There isn't even a debate in my mind.

Honestly, I think he is the main guy to trade like they did Carlos Lee in '04. Use him to fill two other holes on the team. Grab a stud pitcher and either a RF or 2B. Slide Vaughn over to LF and sign a 2B or RF that you didn't get in that trade. Though Ideally, Moncada would be the one that would be more preferable to move, but as was pointed out earlier, you wouldn't get as much back for him really at this point as I think you would with Eloy The reality is, the front office is going to have to get creative to make this team better next year. I highly doubt massive free agent spending is in the cards. Have to be honest and know how it will play out.

This is basically Hahn in a nutshell. The thing that infuriates me the most, in an interview a couple years ago, he was going on about how they weren't interested in stop gap type veteran players. (this was on the mid stages of the rebuild) How they wouldn't mortgage the future for a quick fix, etc. And then proceeded to do nothing but that in most of his trades and signings. Say what you will about Madrigal, but we had a second basemen for the future. Now we have another hole that we didn't have going in to this year. The only way they fix that is to retool using a couple pieces currently on the team.

I think he was talking about Ron....

I just want to point out, that I was and still am a big fan of his and hate that he was traded. My point was I think it's the organization approach, not the player.

Who is that always bet their house and lost like 300 times? I'm not disagreeing about making the playoffs and anything can happen. Plus I never said sell everyone off. I said I would retool slightly like the 04 to 05 team was. That means getting rid of Eloy to fill two holes, I don't hesitate to do it. Right now we have more holes that we did last year. There is no disputing that.

That's great, but the worst teams in baseball don't make the post season. Yes, in the post season anything can happen. But it's also when teams get exposed.

Remember when they had drafted Madrigal and said his baseball IQ was off the charts? Then we all saw how dumb he was on the field? So either they were wrong about his baseball IQ, or this org actively made him more dumb on the field. So imagine what that would do to average players. We see the results. I think it's an organization thing, not so much a player thing. Though, there are some dumb players no doubt.

This team, currently, isn't winning any post season series. They do need to make a few tweaks like they did from '04-'05 and that means trading a few of the pieces. But no, you certainly don't blow the whole thing up.