Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 12:05 PM) Honestly think these deals just take 24-72 hours for completion Yeah, Hahn & Theo agreed to the Quintana trade on Tuesday and it wasn't reported until Thursday. I think something more official leaks out today.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) This is not a rebuild. Its simply a salary dump. The main objective is to have the White Sox with the lowest payroll in MLB in 2018 and 2019. When you have income of over $260 million a year and a payroll less than $50 million, you're looking at some enormous profits for the owners. JR did the same thing in 1998+1999. The team barely drew 1.3 million in attendance each of those years but they were 2 of the teams most profitable years with the low payrolls. If the so call rebuild works out, fine. Either way JR and his investors will be making some serious money. I realize that the White Sox are a business. The objective of any business is too make money.Still, I would rather have the team making money with a winning team than what we're going to be subjected to the next few years. Lol...ok bud.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) Yeah, if we were taking back Panda then I'd need it to be Dalbec/Chavis, Johnson and Lozada or something along those lines. If it was a sizable part of that contract, it would have to be Groome IMO.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 11:50 AM) There were a few rumors, but nothing by anyone who knows anything. Some people just made the leap because of the timing. If you believe raBBit, and who knows, anything could have happened since yesterday, but a return that isn't too exciting certainly wouldn't indicate that we were open to taking on Panda. SCCWS is from Boston so I wasn't sure if they were reporting/speculating locally. As much as I'd love to take on some of Panda's salary to increase the return, I just don't see it happening.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 11:33 AM) I say send Robertson and 10 m to Washington for carter kieboom. Not a top100 yet but he is a shortstop, was drafted in the first round 2 years ago and really raked so far. He will be a top100 soon and the Sox really need middle infield prospects as that is still a weak spot of the system. BA didn't have him as one (yet), but BP said he just missed their recent top 50 update. I think he'd be a huge get and probably fills a bigger organizational need than Soto.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 11:37 AM) Sounds like it is Frazier for Panda. Since Panda is coming off DL, there is medicals to clear up....................................................... Are you just assuming this or did you read this rumor somewhere?

As it stands today, I'd give Hahn a 9/10. He did very well with his three core assets, basically turning a bottom five farm system into arguably the best. And he still has some smaller assets to move to provide additional depth. The tanking effort is also going well and we should have a top three draft pick (and large bonus pool) to add another potential star. And despite our s***ty record, we've had some surprising performances from young players like Avi, Leury, Davidson, Sanchez, & Kahnle. Plain and simple, there is a lot to like so far from a talent accumulation standpoint. What's really going to make or break our rebuild is our ability to develop our young hitters. And in that area, I'm only giving us a 4/10 so far. Look at the K rates below for four of our top hitting prospects coming into the season: Moncada = 28.1% Collins = 27.3% Basabe = 24.6% Adolfo = 29.4% Those are horrific and there really hasn't been big signs of improvement. Obviously these guys are still young and have plenty of time to make adjustments, but this organization has regularly struggled with teaching young hitters how to improve their bat to ball skills. And honestly, nothing has really changed under Chris Getz, which greatly concerns me. At the end of the day, you can have all the talent in the world, but it's not going to do much good if you can't develop it. I really hope there are more changes coming to our development team, because this is without question the biggest obstacle we're going to face if we want to build a championship caliber roster.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 09:45 AM) Very little Diaz love in this thread. It's been a rough year for him so far but the guy has a heck of an arm and will be a backend of the bullpen guy in a couple years. Yeah, I would certainly have him ranked over Rose & Flete.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 09:13 AM) They ate everything left in his contract but the minimum. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 09:14 AM) The Sox were under the impression comp picks were going the way of the Edsel. Lol...so I had it completely backwards. And shocked they ate all that money.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 09:07 AM) I mean, according to moneyball he's like literally all we asked for. I remember reading it across the scroll too and then expecting Adkins to be some awesome player. Looked up his stats and was like Whaaaaa QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 09:08 AM) Because Kenny Williams was naive and inexperienced. We'd have gotten more with a comp pick. Not only did they sell him for a dime on a dollar, I didn't know why they had no interest in re-signing him. He was consistent as heck and didn't sign for that much. Ah yes, the comp pick. That's what it was. This is when comp picks first started right? So Beane traded Adkins for Durham and then got a comp pick (or picks) in the 2003 draft after he walked. I loved me some KW as GM until recent years, but good god did he have some epic fail moments.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 08:54 AM) Remember when all we got for Ray Durham was Jon Adkins? Dude, I still remember where I was when that trade went down and couldn't believe that's all we got. Did we simply refuse to eat any money on his contract? I forgot why the return was ultimately such garbage.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 10:45 PM) Yeah, I'm just posting what I see...and sorry about the links...went back and fixed them. Oh no worries my man, appreciate you posting this stuff.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 10:41 PM) Rick Slattery??? That dude seems somewhat insane, but hey, we all doubted wetbutt yesterday.

Alfaro having a nice year at the plate so far.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 10:34 PM) What does "Cheap prospect" mean? heck Devers is cheap - minor league salaries aren't much. I'm assuming it means none of their highly regarded prospects, but it's just a weird word to use. Definitely takes away some of the optimism I had.

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 10:23 PM) Skoug with a 2B and a 3B so far tonight. I would guess he ends up in Kanny sooner rather than later... He really has no business still being down in the AZL.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 10:24 PM) Celtic Crossing What the hell does "cheap" mean in that context?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 10:18 PM) raBBit I don't think anyone was expecting a great return. Chavis seemed unrealistic to me and obviously Devers & Groome were never going to happen. Honestly, I don't think anything else in their system would qualify as "great" anyways. Chatham or Dalbec would be a solid return IMO.

I'm sticking with C.J. Chatham as being the primary piece coming our way.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 09:35 PM) The As are so weird. Def Schwarber. I could see that.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 09:31 PM) It's about Gray to cubs IMO due to barstool Carl's tweet about showing Sonny around Chicago What could the Cubs give up for Gray though? They must have a bottom five system at this point. It would have to be Happ, Baez, or Schwarber.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 09:29 PM) Whitesox Dave has been eye balling a lot again too. Todd Frazier will NOT be on the White Sox in the next 24 hours. Too much smoke right now.

QUOTE (Anderdale @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 09:12 PM) Wish I could see his ab's. Curious if the pop flys are hard hit. Yeah same here.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 09:27 PM) The twitterverse is saying Boston is making a strong push to acquire Frazier, could be done as early as tonight. Awesome. Where are you seeing this shack?

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 14, 2017 -> 09:24 PM) On the other hand has raBBit ever lied to us? At the very least there have to be some serious talks going on. I have full faith that raBBit knows something here.