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  1. 3 minutes ago, Rey21 said:

    No, if any of the above play out they’re not prepared

    Come on man, you’re suggesting we can’t survive even one road block?  Our depth isn’t good, but let’s not act like everything went right last year.  The offense can endure some setbacks, so can the bullpen.  The rotation is the most concerning area and it better be addressed.

  2. 1 minute ago, Rey21 said:

    I wouldn’t say the Yankees haven’t improved, if healthy Taillon and Kluber could be really big additions - those are big ifs but what if Lynn/Kuechel/Abreu regress, Moncada is 2018 Moncada, Robert goes through a sophomore slump, Eloy is hurt and out for a bit, Cease and or Kopech don’t turn a corner, Eaton doesn’t provide anything,  Crochett or Bummer get hurt again (Regardless of how either is feeling now, a nerve issue for Bummer and forearm issue for Crochett is troubling) the Sox aren’t prepared for any of that. We were told the money would be spent to solidify this thing, they have an opportunity to shut us up and step on the gas pedal but instead they’re tapping on it. 

    So you’re question is what if everything possible goes wrong?

  3. 35 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

    Soxtalks rules for forecasting:

    1. All good Sox players will regress.

    2. All formerly good players will stay bad.

    3. All young players will not progress.

    4. Whoever we trade for will instantly fall apart by putting on a Sox jersey.

    5. Whoever we trade away will become good again.

    6. If we trade away prospects,  they are slam dunk perennial all-stars.

    7. Called up prospects will bust.

    8. Free agent signings will regress to career worsts.

    You forgot the most important one:

    9. All other contenders are perfect

  4. 4 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said:

    If Lynn is a top-10 pitcher you're just looking at the last 2 years of his career.  And he's still at the bottom of that list.  I think you all have been duped.  He's a mid-rotation starter and that is all.

    Keuchel is primed for regression IMO.  Very primed and ready.  

    With Kopech starting in the minors, they don't currently have a 5th starter.  More than anything else, the lack of a 5th starter sank the Sox in their playoff hopes for much of the period that existed between the end of their last full rebuild which ended in 2000 and today.  Still no 5th starter in 2021.

    Crochet will be in the pen if he's on the team at all.  Lopez needs a personal assistant at this point; he won't be in the rotation unless the Sox just do nothing at all, and don't even add a half-warm body like Wainwright.

    I'm not sure about Q but Wainwright, if he wants to pitch, isn't going to be anybody's ideal option.  He's in that stage where he will have to be prepared to play for his spot if he wants one.  I can definitely see why Q didn't sign here though.

    Why do you continue use career stats to evaluate pitchers nowadays?  Guys can change for the better on a whim and that’s what has happened with Lynn.  If you’ve watched him pitch over the past 2 1/2 years, you’d realize he’s much better than a mid rotation starter.

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  5. 56 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said:

    Ok, last 15 years?

    They ran top-5 payrolls for a few years after the 2005 WS win.

    Which is why trading Vaughn++ for Burnes and signing Cruz (or Ozuna) needs to happen.  The only way to convince Reinsdorf to spend like he should is if there is guaranteed revenue coming in and that means a deep postseason run.

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  6. 19 minutes ago, Rey21 said:

    If they trade Vaughn they better sign Marcell Ozuna instead

    If you really want a Jerry Reinsdorf special, you trade Vaughn++ for Burnes and then sign Ozuna to a 4/$72M contract.  And honestly, I wouldn’t be against that the more I think about it.  You’d be buying Marcell’s age 30 to 33 seasons so there’s reason to think he can remain effective over the life of the contract and he’s actually hit RHP well over the course of his career.  He’s not a perfect fit, but damn does Statcast love him and if he showed what he’s capable of in 2021.  And now all of sudden you have a deep & talented pitching staff that stacks up with anyone.  Unfortunately, this requires going a bit above last year’s payroll and Uncle Jerry can’t risk it in this environment.

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  7. 2 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said:

    Fangraphs has a 40+FV value grade on Bailey which is below Yajure (45), and equal to Canaan Smith, Contreras, & Escotto. The Yankees ~10 or so players in this tier, whereas Bailey & Jose Rodriguez are the only types of prospects the Sox have in that mold.

    No doubt we have less of these players than other organizations and maybe we shouldn’t be moving them at this time, I just disagree that we could not have made a comparable offer.

  8. 10 minutes ago, Sarava said:

    It would sell out our future a bit, but.... the best way to improve now might be to trade Vaughn ++ for Corbin Burnes. You then take the money you save from not spending on that last SP, and use it to sign Nelson Cruz. Then both the lineup and the starting staff are flipping loaded.

    You’d basically have a complete roster if you did that and one that I’d argue is the best in the AL, but I’d be very hesitant to move Vaughn.

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  9. 7 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said:

    This.  If there is a single guy out there that the Sox can actually get who is within their budget and makes the most impact it would be Cruz.

    At this point, I think the best we could expect is Cruz, Wainright, and a catcher signed to a minor league deal to compete against Collins.  I think that actually gives us the better group of position players and improves our SP depth, but we’d still be well behind the Yankees in that regard.  All that being said, Cruz seems like wishful thinking with Jerry crying poor amidst the pandemic.

  10. 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said:

    Signing Robert. Trading Q, Sale and Eaton. If not for the trade capital they had, this team would be horrible for a long time. Not many teams had what they had to trade when going into a rebuild.

    Yup, and it’s scary to think how good we’d be looking had we just hit on some of those picks.

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  11. 37 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said:

    I am shocked that our early round college picks - Sheets, Walker, LuGon, Burdi, etc, don’t have much value in the trade market. Not.

    It’s amazing how good the rebuild has worked out at the moment given how bad our drafting was at the beginning of this thing.

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  12. 6 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said:

    I think the pirates this time want to go full tank. The last round they went for more mlb ready pieces like musgrove and moran to do kind of a quick retooling but it didn't work and now they go for younger, higher variance, higher upside guys because they Don't have a core to build around anymore and they can't afford to sign stars.

    Sheets and adolfo could contribute soon but they are older and don't have the upside the pirates really need now. Pirates are going through a long rebuild.


    100% agree with that logic, although I will say a guy like Adolfo could be really interesting for a club that has no ambitions to compete in 2022 and should have plenty of playing time available. When we did our rebuild one area we failed on was giving high ceiling, low floor guys like Micker a chance.  Pirates would be smart to find some potential diamonds in the rough and make good use of that playing time.

  13. 13 minutes ago, poppysox said:

    I like this format.  You mention the Yanks have a 50+ projected fWAR.  Do you know the WS projected fWAR?  I tried to find it myself but failed in my search.

    We’re right around 40, but I think there is a lot of upside to our projection given the amount of youth we have and some over-regression they have for guys like Timmy & Jose.


  14. 23 minutes ago, YourWhatHurts said:

    There's no way that Giolito and Lynn are "equal" to a healthy Cole and Severino.

    The Yanks have a much better rotation if they are healthy.  Sox have a better IF defense.  Yanks probably similar defensively in the OF because Eloy brings down the quality of the OF D so much.  Offensively both lineups are deep with power and speed, and lots of tough outs.  Both bullpens should be very good, but you never know how that will turn out.

    Overall IMO the Yankees are definitely the better team ATM.  The Sox don't have the horses yet.

    Also when you add D TA is way better than Gleyber.

    Zips has Giolito as the better pitcher next year and he was better than Cole in 2020.  I’m very high on Lucas heading into 2021 with Katz now in the fold who I think will push Lucas to maximize his arsenal.  I don’t expect many will agree with me putting him even with Cole and I can totally respect that viewpoint.

    As for Lynn vs. Severino, one is healthy and the other is not.  I absolutely love Lynn and think his true talent level is in the 4.5 to 5 win range.  That might represent a lower ceiling than Severino’s, but Luis will be coming back from TJS and may not be 100% next year.  There is an argument to give Lynn the edge for that very reason, but figured I’d just call it a toss-up.

  15. 1 minute ago, Rey21 said:

    And high school kids which the Sox don’t do, they’re always behind the trend never in front of it which is embarrassing for a big market team 

    We’re taken quite a few of HS kids the last few drafts, it’s the LatAm kids that’s the problem.

  16. 1 minute ago, Rey21 said:

    Yanks just got Taillon - if heathy I’d rather be the Yankees than the WhiteSox right now. Sox can’t sit back and sign Wainwright and La Stella gotta think bigger here 

    Their SP depth is way better than ours at the moment, no idea what Hahn is waiting for.  If they’re banking on Katz performing miracles we’re in big trouble.

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