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6 minutes ago, Lillian said:
What kind of contract do you expect it will take to sign someone like Santana, for example?
I have no idea, but I really don’t see the reason to add a veteran starter next year. Rodon & Lopez are locks. Kopech will be up after two weeks or so. That leaves two spots for Giolito, Stephens, Covey, etc. Why would we want to block one of those kids when we’re not going to be truly going for it next year?
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I’m actually excited about a potential second half rotation of Rodon, Lopez, Covey, Stephens, & Giolito/Kopeh.
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17 minutes ago, Replacement Level Poster said:
Who would of thought in March Covey would be ahead of both Giolito and Fulmer?
Gotta to see if he can keep this up, but I’m actually shocked that Covey’s stuff looks leagues better than Giolito’s.
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17 minutes ago, Lillian said:
If the Sox intend to sign one veteran, to be in next year's rotation, it will likely require a multi year contract, for anyone decent. By picking up Shields' option, they limit the commitment to one year, which should be ideal to bridge the gap to 2020, when Cease, Hansen, Dunning and Stevens should be ready to join Kopech, Lopez and Giolito.
Assuming 37 year old James Shields will be decent next year takes a huge leap of faith. I’m not even sure he’ll be decent a month or two from now as his HR rate looks ripe for regression. Honestly, picking up his $16M option would be a firable offense IMO.
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Nice hit for Moncada off the lefty!
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I am really like what I’m seeing from Covey. If he can maintain this level of command, he’ll be an effective major league starting pitcher.
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Yeah, Covey getting squeezed a little bit right there.
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According to Mayo, the Tigers have narrowed their pick down to three guys: Mize, Bart, & Singer. I really hope the Tigers are doing something stupid and are shopping the pick to Bart & Singer and seeing if one will take an underslot deal. Passing on Mize for Singer would be a fail of epic proportions & I’d love to see it.
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3 minutes ago, Flash said:
Shields and Abreu for Brendon Rodgers and the Rox #42 comp pick. Maybe Rox throw in Desmond and we eat some salary. All in favor ???
Why in the world would the Rockies want James Shields?
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3 minutes ago, flavum said:
Seems like no team in the top 6-7 can really dream on a prep player and risk looking stupid.
So we’ll get a decent major league player that will probably not be a star, but some team from 8-20 will luck into an all-star/MVP.
You guys have sufficiently scared me about Singer, but if the Sox take him, welcome aboard.
Maybe 46 will be our future superstar.
In all honesty, if it weren’t for the Royals, Rays, & Indians having multiple comp picks, we’d be best off doing a huge underslot deal with a high end prep talent (Kelenic, Wynn, Liberatore, etc) and use the savings to take advantage of the draft’s depth. Just too risky with those clubs in the mix, which hopefully means you take a high floor guy like Madrigal who if you dream on just a bit has some chance of becoming a star.
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4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:
Trade him for a bag of balls and put Stephens in the rotation.
Yup, I really hope the front office doesn’t try to overplay its hand here. Get a Ti’Quan Forbes caliber prospect and end this regretful chapter of White Sox baeball. The sooner the better as his innings are valuable and would be better served to Stephens, Covey, etc.
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5 minutes ago, Lillian said:
Shields has been very impressive. He is a real "pitcher," relying on command, movement and changing speeds. That new arm slot was a huge discovery for him. As disgusted and disappointed, as I was with the trade that brought him to the Sox, I have come to appreciate what he has achieved. I wish more guys would try to experiment with such innovative approaches. Imagine how well a guy, with a 95 mph fastball, could pitch, if he had the rest of Shields' current arsenal. Maybe Giolito should adopt something similar, as his heater has become very pedestrian. If James can impart some of his knowledge and skill, to his young team mates, he will have earned his salary.
As for his future with the Sox, I wouldn't be upset if they can get someone worthwhile, for him. Otherwise, he may have value, both as a mentor, as well as an innings eater. In any case, I would consider resigning him, for another year. If he is not traded, I'd like to see the Sox pick up that $16 million option. It would really only be $14 Million, as the buy out is $2 Million, which is a sunk cost, if they elect not to pick up the option. If next year, they could feature Rodon, Kopech, Lopez, Giolito and Shields, they could be competitive, while affording the rest of the young arms time to develop in the Minors.
Under no circumstance should we pick up a $16M option for Shields. That would be absolute insanity. While he hasn’t been terrible this year, he’s still not good and could easily be replaced with a less costly and/or better option.
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I’ll happily take salary relief for Shields and call it a day.
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Wow, that lineup is terrible. Rondon batting cleanup & DHing? Lol what? I guess we don’t have a lot of other options.
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Just now, GreenSox said:
That surprises me. The GM makes the trades based on scouting reports; would seem that they would also do the draft.
On a different matter, I recall 2 years ago that the Sox were rumored to be on Dakota Hudson at #10; he was a mid-rotation ceiling pitcher who ended up going #30 ish. Maybe that was dis-information, maybe it wasn't. But it is consistent with the affectation for Singer.
This is Hostetler’s full-time job. Hahn doesn’t have the time to read the hundreds upon hundreds of scouting reports on amateur talent it would take to run a successful draft. Again, the top pick may be a little different because we’re talking about a smaller subset of prospects to evaluate and the pick is vitally more important.
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1 minute ago, GreenSox said:
Does the scouting director actually make the pick? Or does he give rankings and scouting reports to Hahn/Williams/JR and they decide. Maybe I'm just over-parsing your words.
Hostelter makes the picks. Obviously the first overall pick will have far more influence from Hahn & KW and they could dictate a certain direction (Burdi) or even override a proposed selection, but generally speaking the scouting director runs the draft.
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8 minutes ago, daa84 said:
I realize that the shortcomings of Giolito and Fulmer and the injuries to Burdi (and to a lesser extent Hansen) have created more of a void in pitching than it appeared 6 months ago, but we still have a lot of RHP with Lopez, cease, dunning, stephens etc - also it’s so much easier to but 2-3 years of a quality arm on the market than it is a middle infielder. I think they have to go with Madrigal if he’s there - I think the bat plays. That said, I’m not as low on Singer as most and if Madrigal is gone I’d be ok with singer over any of the other position players in this draft - tho would still prolly prefer Bohm
Always take the BPA early in the draft. If we need a starting pitching in 2020, we can either go out and sign one or use some of our prospect currency to acquire one.
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9 minutes ago, ptatc said:
Singer situation sounds a lot lime how the Sox got Rodon. #1 before the season but some issues during the season to allow him to drop.
The situation is somewhat similar, although I think Rodon was a far superior prospect than Singer ever was. And even without those issues, Mize would have passed Singer as the premier prospect in the draft.
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53 minutes ago, DH in the NL said:
Has anyone else have a feeling Madrigal is who the Sox want, but it will be a Benintendi scenario all over again?. . . One pick “short.”
Same draft, but I’m far more worried we pull a Fulmer with our Happ right there for the taking. I continue to have a bad feeling that we’ll have our choice of Madrigal & Singer, go with the pitcher, and the Reds immediately take Nick at #5 and together they live happily ever after.
Speaking of the 2015 draft, I’m not sure there is better evidence to go position player when picking early:
- Dansby Swanson
- Alex Bregman
- Brendan Rodgers
- Dillon Tate
- Kyle Tucker
- Tyler Jay
- Andrew Benintendi
- Carson Fulmer
- Ian Happ
I know it’s one draft, but every team that picked a position player is happy right now (maybe not Arizona lol) and those that picked pitchers are probably filled with great regret. I get the top guys in this draft might not be of the same caliber overall, but I still feel there is far more certainty with Madrigal & Bohm than a second tier pitcher like Singer. Pitching is just too risky to take that high unless it’s of the elite variety.
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Just over 34 hours until the draft starts. Can’t fucking wait.
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Just now, bmags said:
Yeah I don’t think he’ll tap into the power altuve has, I do think he can tap into more power however and be something like 2016 Adam Eaton
That’s exactly the type of offensive profile I’m envisioning and that’s a hell of a player when you factor in his defense.
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16 minutes ago, Dam8610 said:
I said "meathead reasons", which calling someone a child molester and saying you don't want them drafted because of that when there's a good chance they're innocent and even if they're not, there's a good chance of there being a good reason why it happened and will never happen again qualifies as a meathead reason to me.
Dam, you’re one of my favorite posters on this board and I respected your initial position on this topic, but now it just seems like you’re willing to give this guy free passes all around all in the name of value. I think it’s perfectly reasonable for people to not want to touch this guy with a 10 foot pole, just as I think an argument can be made for giving the guy a second chance. I’m fine with you wanting to select him, I just think it feels a bit cheap to presume his innocence as a reason why.
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1 minute ago, Dam8610 said:
Yes, they do, for a variety of reasons. Mainly so that they can get out of jail.
But when you have all the evidence to prove your innocence why are you even worried about jail, especially as a minor? And I’m not even suggesting that he’s without question guilty, I just think it’s odd that someone would say all the evidence suggests he’s innocent but he still took a plea. More than anything I’m just curious about what that evidence is to better educate myself on the case.
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5 minutes ago, Dam8610 said:
Surprising, you aren't usually one to ignore value for meathead reasons.
Calling someone a meathead because they don’t want to draft someone who at bare minimum pleaded guilty to molesting a six year old child seems a bit egregious.
6/3 Brewers at White Sox, 1:10, WGN
in 2018 Season in Review
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I never noticed plus stuff last year, so I’m pretty shocked by what I’m seeing with him this season. Kid looks real good.