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I agree completely and I believe they will call up Robert, Collins and Mendick in September. Madrigal next year. It would be wise for marketing, free agent recruiting and the players for next year.

Exactly not even a thought. Far and away the best player in the game.

I agree most of this as I usually agree with CWS posts. I think we should try to sign Harper as it sends a message,he is likable and a major face of MLB, in addition to one of the best players in the MLB. A lefty power bat which is always desired by the Sox and a perfect fit on and off the field. But I also agree with RH, in adding pieces for long term success. Short term players....why? If we could add Harper, I would like to see at trade with the Braves for one of their lefty starters in AAA to start right away withe the Sox. Then use current players challenge in the minors or majors challenge for the 5th spot this year The whole rebuild will be based on pitching. Lopez and Lucas are essential to the process. I feel there is enough for the bullpen currently, with starters needing help. Moncada needs to switch to 3rd and promotions need to be accelerated for key pieces like Madrigal, Cease, Dunning and Robert within reason. 2020 is the year to be in playoffs. It will be tough next year.

The problem with this logic is: there are minimum wage laws, which are over $5 an hour and overtime laws requiring-time and a half -over 40 hours. The Sox are following the rules collectively bargained by the union to their benefit at this time. To compare MLB players to hourly workers is a stretch.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 31, 2017 -> 05:54 PM) I just don't see a whole of big things happening this winter. The two guys who we might trade don't have any real trade value as of now in Abreu and Avi. We also aren't going out and signing anyone of note this winter. It is going to be a long and quiet winter. I agree and the Sox would need to be blown away to trade Abreu, while waiting for a desperate team to overpay for Avi later in the year. I think the plan is to wait and develop current players, but I won't be surprised if there was a deal for a player like Yelich on the Marlins. The Sox need a cf, lefty hitter, a future leader and building block. He is signed thru 2022. Just depends what the return would be, but I think a good fit short and long term as he is only 26 now. Thoughts?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 21, 2017 -> 07:55 PM) There is a new report that later the same day Trump boasted about calling all the Gold Star families, and other Presidents did not, his staff contacted the Pentagon to get the names and family member numbers of those killed so he could contact some more that he had apparently "missed." They know he lies and lies and lies, but do nothing about it, but spin it, or act like it doesn't happen. I hope they all eventually pay for their actions or non actions. Washington DC, the city with no consequences, otherwise most of the Obama administration would be in jail. I guess you could say the same thing about Chicago and Cook County.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 16, 2017 -> 12:12 AM) They won't want to play here. And yes it will impact the payroll. Those signings rarely end up being worth their contract anyway. Only teams like the Yankees, Red Sox, Dodgers can absorb 9 figure screw ups. Until we get legit ownership of this team I say no. You don't know if they would want to play here. Circumstances in a few years from now are unknown. Our payroll at that that time should be limited and that is when you can absorb a large contract. The teams you mentioned maybe near the tax threshold at that time, as they are now. We need to wait and see what is best. Many FA do not pan out, but few are exposed to the market in their mid 20's as established stars.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 07:54 PM) This team will never sign a Harper, Trout, or Machado. I actually hope they don't as long as current ownership is in place because that will leave the team with their hands tied due to payroll constraints for a decade. I completely disagree. In 2 -3 years would be a great time to sign a front loaded contract for a young superstar like Harper or Trout. Depending how it is structured it shouldn't impact future payroll. This seems to be in line with JR's history as well.

Package him with Robertson to the Nats for Robles+

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 11:39 AM) I wish Atlanta were seriously interested in him. That's a team that could keep their top 2 or 3 (as all see me to want to do) and the Sox should still have plenty to their liking to do a deal. I am with you Acuna-Moncada is a marketing dream.

Personally, I think the Pirates are a great match for Q. They have several high rated players blocked and could easily come up with a package.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 16, 2009 -> 09:55 AM) ...and has been vocal in the past about not wanting to play here. I realize Dalgato stated he did not weant to play here in 2005-2006. He was in great demand then, today he has very few options. Just a thought anyway.

Where the club is right now after the JP trade, Kenny definately will add a power lefty bat. I am guessing Delgato on a low base incentive deal. Doesn't feel right to gut the farm right now for AGonn or Dunn although they would be welcome additions. Delgato is coming off of hip sugury and is supposed to be playing winterball.

QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 07:39 PM) My quote is that's what TB would probably want. Upton and Gonzalez both is a dream. It is very unlikely without a game system and a CPU GM on the other side. I must have missed it. Here are all your posts in this thread. I'd rather keep the young guys and rebuild than throw a bunch of prospects at another AL team for a guy due for a giant payday. Hmm.. Okay, that's not as bad as I thought. With arb though, he could be pulling down 9-10 mil a year. Flowers, Hudson, Jenks and D2 for Upton might be TBs offer. This ain't X-Box. Jenks won't make " a lot " of money. Maybe 6 or 7 mil. The Sox might pay part if they can get Upton I said that it would take a lot to get him in Tampa's mind. I don't want to send those guys for Upton, I just know that it will take a lot to get him.

QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 07:26 PM) I said that it would take a lot to get him in Tampa's mind. I don't want to send those guys for Upton, I just know that it will take a lot to get him. I don't want to argue with you, that proposal was a direct quote from your post. A trade of Upton would only happen if Crawford would be extended, and they have their own prospect to plug in the OF. I think you may misjudge the value of prospects these days. Bobby Jenks also has value, except the salary is getting high, especially for the Rays. My "x-box" thought was he is a right handed hitter and while he would bat leadoff/improve defense, doesn't address the power lefty slot needed.

QUOTE (knightni @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 06:40 PM) This ain't X-Box. Your the guy wanting to send Flowers, Hudson, Jenks and D2 for Upton. That would be complete fantasy, way too much. A proven closer, and 3 major league ready prospects....wow. Get real yourself.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2009 -> 05:23 PM) If he had the kind of year it looked like he was capable of, he could legit ask for $8-10 mil as an opening arbitration bid. Ryan Howard won a $10 million bid a year or so ago didn't he? But of course, if he hit that well we'd probably have a world series under our belts, so we might not mind. I doubt he would be that expensive when the time comes and would be inexpensive for next year. I do believe he would be a perfect piece for the Sox. The defense would be vastly improved in the outfield and a leadoff man with speed. His career OBP is good, last year the exception. I think he would be the perfect piece, however he is a right handed bat and the need for a power lefty would remain. If you could work out a deal with Jenks (closer and catcher seem to be the concerns for the Rays) as the center of a deal, coupled with the farm for A Gonzales, all would be great.

QUOTE (chisoxt @ Nov 15, 2009 -> 11:31 AM) Why is it everytime an expensive, but short term veteran player is available just about every fan wants to unload the whole farm system to acquire him? They ignore the fact that we have many more needs in other areas and that the practice of mortgaging every decent prospect you have for a quick fix is not sustainable. Even the big market teams like the Yankees, Red sox and Dodgers are smart enough to realize that you have to keep some of your younger players, particualary young pitchers who can fill important bullpen roles. That way you don't have to overspend and get overused rejects like Linebrink and MacDougal. Yes, getting Crawford or Gonzalez would be great but at what cost? Then when we overpay to get guys like them or Rios and Peavy, there is the inevitable self pity and whining on the part of management that we are too poor to fill other roster positions. We will have the best rotation in the league next year but no backup help from the bullpen. If this team wants to achieve sustainable success in the long term, at some point they have to get to the point where they develop their own players. As the economy sputters and revenue streams will be hard to sustain, the Sox have to be smart when it comes to management of their roster. Buying expensive pieces off the shelf will not be the answer. I am not sure what you suggest the WS should do. Are you saying, build through the farm system like the Yankees, Red Sox and Dodgers? This team currently has potentially a great starting staff. Improvement to the defense, pen and a middle of the order OF/DH is needed. One move could make the difference. At this time if a Gonzalez could be obtained (unlikely, but I hope not) you need to pursue this. BTW, the Red Sox and Seatle are very interested in Gonzalez. The Yanks and Red Sox have budgets to overcome their mistakes. They use the FA system in large part to fill their gaps and allow the farm to grow. If the White Sox are not winning, attendance goes down historically. The White Sox typically build by trade due to the lack of success in drafting. Now is not the time to go for it by any means possible. Prospects are just that, until proven otherwise. It will be interesting to see how this develops.

To answer the original question, I think KW is in a great spot heading into the offseason. It will be a late developing offseason for the most part I believe. I think Kenny will shop Konerko and Jenks early on and inquire about Crawford/ Gonzalez and others. If all fails he will make a few minor trades and a few low key FA signings will happen to open the season. Awaiting the prospects to become major league ready. Seems like most teams are trying to figure out the market value of experienced players. The value of prospects is high with many teams in budget trouble.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Nov 12, 2009 -> 06:41 PM) Several years ago? You have a funny definition of the word several. December 9, 1982: Traded by the Cleveland Indians to the Philadelphia Phillies for Jay Baller, Julio Franco, Manny Trillo, George Vukovich and Jerry Willard. LOL I guess I am showing my age a little bit. It doesn't seem that long ago.

Von Hayes, several years ago was a block buster trade. I believe it was 5:1, 5 prospects for Von Hayes. It was unheard of at the time and few players have been moved prior or since for that many prospects. But it could happen.

Personally, if Tampa is willing to trade Upton that would be the target for me. For CF and leadoff. Put him in center, Rios in right. This would improve the outfield defense. He has batted leadoff most of his time in the bigs, and to a team that made it to the WS last year. This year he did not hit so well in the leadoff spot and was removed. I believe he is heading to arb for the next few years and would not break the payroll short term. May take alot to get him, but I thought they had a studdly outfielder ready to replace him or Crawford. The move of Crawford would be a hit to their season ticket sales and fan base. Upton's career OBP is 352 and his career numbers overall aren't too bad. Upton, Abreu and a little help for the pen and let's start 2010. What do you think?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 9, 2009 -> 02:11 AM) I think I agreed with every one of his comments. Great great stuff. I can't believe it either, but I agreed with everything too.

QUOTE (1977 sox fan @ Oct 3, 2009 -> 06:17 AM) one of our starting pitchers will be traded this off season only peavy danks and garcia are safe . we need some hitting and teams like texas and others are looking for a starter were not going to get much for the prospects we have except for hudson flowers viecido and a few guys at the A BALL level so trading a starter is really the only way to get a really good everyday player a package of say floyd and some prospects could bring us adrian gonzales ? the padres want pitching as they seem to have plenty of every day players that look very promising in there system or on the big club so floyd with maybe ely santeliz and anthony carter could bring in gonzales . i say we should go after adrian gonzales the way detroit went after cabrera a couple years ago . we would still have peavy danks buehrle hudson garcia still a very strong rotation and our lineup would improve big time . I don't see us trading a starter next year at all. Not that it will not happen, I just don't see it with KW knowing starting pitching is the most important aspect of the team. Texas is in a budget crunch and will be looking for cheap players or prospects. The are unable to resign players on the roster now due to budget constraints. I also doubt AGonzalas will be traded. I would think after arbitration and resigning some FA on the team, the Sox will be near budget, maybe have 5-10MM. I would think KW would trade PK, Linebrink, Jenks, if he could get major league talent in return.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Sep 26, 2009 -> 02:23 PM) Welcome aboard! I agree with that statement. I personally want a SS who isn't making mental errors--and not many physical ones either. So if Alexei is moved, he'd likely bring back 2 players who could be on the sox 25 man roster. Jenks could bring back two players as well. I could also see Konerko being moved-as long as it was a team on the west coast, that he'd waive his NTC for. Wasnt last year's SS this guy and everyone couldn't wait to get rid of him because he was selfish. I do not believe Kenny will trade Alexi for 2 guys who will make the 25 man roster. I say that because he's mentality is to fill the roster with players that will win a championship, not just fill the roster. Alexi will be fine defensively in time, is cheap and is productive at the plate. He also gives KW flexibility, but he would have to be overwelmed to trade him. IMO Thanks been reading this board for many years, but never joined before this year.