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Re-read my post then. It isn't about JR being cheap at this point, he has spent, it's how the money was spent. Not willing pay a star for 8 seasons yet overpaying a bunch of replacement level players EVERY SEASON is basically of the resource allocation criticism. We're heading into year 4 of the Manny/Harper deals, they have been worth every penny since the signing, still in their prime, and no signs of slowing down anytime soon.

It's actually pretty easy to answer this. Sox had 93 wins last season, 2 wins ahead of the 4th place team in AL East. Would they have made the playoffs had they played in the ALE and having to play the top 4 teams 72 times a year? That's not counting the Astros, and also Dodgers, Braves, and Giants in the NL.

They've made some great firesale trades and went with their guts to open up the checkbook for Robert that has helped build a playoff caliber roster. However they failed to repeat the same results since then to improve the team via trades and refused to spend near the top of the market for free agents. Overall team talent has not improved since then and other organizations have caught up and passed them by. To top it off, player development has been more of the same. They had a great start, there were many paths they could have taken to turn this into a true championship caliber roster, yet they chose the wrong path seemingly every time.

More than the move they've made, it's also the moves they didn't make. The money that could have gone to any of Harper/Manny/Wheeler/Springer etc. is end up allocated to likes of Keuchel and Kimbrel while resorting to trotting Yermin at OF and Vaughn/Sheet at 2B. I think they deserve every blame they've gotten the last 3 years.

Good thing my myopia hasn't allowed me to go to a different section of the forum to read that up.

Well, a weird way of looking at this is if Joc signs next then Conforto has gotta be Hahn’s endgame right?

Our future ranking, if factoring in the farm, places in the middle of the pack. Only saving grace being the extensions Hahn was able to pull off.

Expecting the worst from here till end of the off season save you the trouble of any dramatic outbursts at the end. I call it the Parkman mentality. But seriously, I do really hope they pull it off at the end, but have very low expectations.

Ahh yes. I am sure if and when Conforto signs else where I am sure VAfan will reassure us in the other thread that we didn't need RF upgrade and that we're as good as any team out there.

Seriously, who hasn't lost it yet this offseason with this bullshit plan? I want to know because I commend you for your patience and your positivity.

The gift of TLR that keeps on giving.

Yea I like Misner but that's great value for Wendle. I would have gladly dealt Adolfo + for him, and he would have been a great fit at 2B over Leury and Harrison.

They signed fine relievers but have overpaid in the process, especially in the case of Kelly who is injured. You didn't expect 2B to be a splash, but that's just a byproduct of not having expectation for this FO, not that they were not capable. Had it not been the Kelly and VV signing, they could have walked away with Escobar and McHugh. The fact that Kimbrel is still on the roster is likely the reason they didn't QO Rodon or we weren't able to give Conforto the money he's looking for. I am in the camp of losing all my patience with the FO this offseason, and I was on the other side defending them every single year prior. Honestly it's the vicious cycle every time, at the start of offseason we identify a couple of tier 1/2 free agents we expect the FO to go after that would been a great fit on this roster, rumors come up and we get excited, but with each passing day deal isn't getting done the likelihood of the deal happen diminishes and we end up sobbing and venting when it's all over. And with how the offseason has been progressing (poor spending of resources, and lack of advancement in Conforto talks) I don't see how this one would turn out any different.

The entire NL west is after him. The Dodgers/Padres whoever doesn’t get Freeman will be willing open up the checkbook.

Unfortunately to sign impact free agents that moves the needle you’d need to commit long term. Otherwise you’d end up exactly we are.

I am pretty sure 4/$80-85M would be the offer we gave Conforto. If Schwarber got this deal, I think Conforto would get 5 years and more dollars

There were no rumors because Rick Hahn is happy with this roster.

Oof, so that sets the Conforto market out of our range then. Joc and Rosario, come on down.

I give them credit for that, but in the grand scheme when you have only developed 2 guys (TA and Rodon) from draft or INTL market over 14 years into contributors for your team, it’s seriously depressing. Edit: technically 3 guys since Robert did come from this system.

Also to those who are content with just having a strong core and are ok with the Harrison, Kelly, and VV signings, I give you the Toronto fucking Blue Jays.

Rick Hahn is purely living on the laurels of the Abreu/Robert signing and the trades he made at the beginning of the rebuild. Outside of the Lynn trade, Hendriks signing, the organization had not done anything worth a damn to improve the team into a championship contender, and build an pipeline that could extend their window. But hey, at least we’re not the Reds, right?

Would you rather have: Leury $5.5M Harrison $5.5M Velasquez $3M Kelly $8.5M or McHugh $5M Escobar $10M Matz $11M (whichever lefty that was out there) I am just beating a dead horse at this point, but we HAD the money to improve the roster but are failing miserably.

We drafted Vaughn for his bat. Little did we know about his ability to play at any position...

2B problem solved. https://twitter.com/isitthewelsh/status/1503829134509699076?s=21

Injured players and DFA'd players also.