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Posts posted by thxfrthmmrs

  1. 5 hours ago, YourWhatHurts said:

    But OTOH Rutherford doesn't have a lot of value either, and he was a late first round draft pick out of HS and so was Ian Clarkin and both of those guys came from the Yankees in the DRob/Kahnle dump off.

    It's hard to get value in the draft regardless.  The best policy is to spend as much money as possible on the highest-end guys available.  In the Sox defense, they have been doing a much better job targeting higher-level players in the early rounds in the draft lately.

    Re: the group mentioned though, Burdi has made some progress now that he is healthy.  He could still turn into a quality pen piece.  Walker got us potentially 2 years of Mazara and in hindsight we should have traded him for someone else.  Gonzalez seems to be on track to being a decent if not quality 4th OF IMO, which is a pretty good outcome anyway.  Only Sheets really looks like a guy with a pretty low likelihood of having any MLB success, but he also has made some improvement and he may have enough value to net the team a quality MR or bench piece at the deadline.  All in all, I think that group mentioned isn't really that damning.  Sure they could have done better in hindsight but let's just go look draft to draft at all of the high schoolers who are taken in the first 3 or 4 rounds who totally bust. 

    Also coming to mind are Spencer Adams and David Holmberg who were HS guys who didn't work out.  I also remember getting excited about drafting a HS named Stephen Upchurch and I think he fell apart before he even got off of the bus to Great Falls.  More often that not these guys don't work out.

    I do hope that whether it is a HS or college player, the Sox try to do what they did grabbing Crochet and Kelly back-to-back all the time in every draft.  

    Rutherford will most likely never amount to shit and still netted two high end RPs a year after drafted. And that is the point here. The Padres and Yankees traded a bunch of guys to get 4 starting pitchers. Most of those guys are so far away and we probably won’t hear about them for a few years, or ever again. But all the key pieces are projectable players with decent to high upside. Those are the players teams want as center pieces for cost controlled assets, not the low ceiling high floor college picks. Not just that, Sox actually went above slot to sign some of these college picks that had no leverage, which made no sense. It’s more of the same shit on the LatAM side, trading away slot bonus and signing a guy like Yolbert.

  2. 5 minutes ago, Dominikk85 said:

    Voit was really good the last 3 years (186 ops+ in 18, 123 in 19 and 156 in 20).

    Abreu was better in 20 but only a solid but not spectacular 117-118 the years before. Voit is also 4 years younger so it is reasonable to believe he is a bit better in true talent at this point especially when weighing a shortened season less.

    Abreu is very good but I think when you consider the last 3 years and the projection for next season you can justify having voit ahead.

    Put it this way, if Voit was on the White Sox and Abreu was on Yankees, do you see any chance Voit being ranked ahead of Abreu after latter was named MVP? If you want to take a trip down the memory lane, Abreu ranged from 3.1-5.8 WAR per season up until 2018. He's much more proven and just came off an MVP season.

  3. The Spotrac number on luxury tax is correct. Sox are at $145M for the payroll portion of the luxury tax calculation, and $163M overall, thanks to a number of back loaded contracts and Hendriks weird deal that only counts as 3 years. FWIW they have the 2nd highest luxury tax payroll next year, behind only the Padres.

  4. 7 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said:

    I like the idea of Wainwright...except if he looks good, no way TLR goes to Kopech when he is ready. 

    They need to do 1of 2 things...Sign or trade for a stud (Kopech is in purgatory or traded) or find a Starter for 3 months (honestly why most would choose another team). Tough place to be. 

    I wouldn't worry about this at all. That's a good problem to have. If Kopech forces his way for a promotion he could temporarily pitch out of BP to keep his innings in check. If Cease struggles or Wainwright hits the IR, Kopech could easily jump in. Also 2021 will be a season where most pitchers will be on some sort of inning limit, having an extra starter definitely helps.

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  5. 2 minutes ago, bmags said:

    Ha, for people who weren’t on at the time the first page probably looks so weird but I thought I was going to get flamed for reading too much into our foodie burners. 

    I wasn’t on at the time and the strange thing was there had been little rumors about Burnes until last night. You basically called your shot and it became a rumor. Perhaps it’s one of those coincidence ;)

  6. 7 hours ago, NotTrevor said:

    Lots of love for Trevor Bauer in this thread. Why should he want to play for the Chicago White Sox?

    We’re the only fan base that could have a 69 page thread about Trevor Bauer speculations, in honor of Bauer.

    Heck, if the site owner allows it, we could go up to 420.

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  7. 50 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:

    Lastly, MVP Baseball 2005 needs to come back. That was the most fun baseball game I've ever played. 

    This game was as good as it gets for baseball gamers. I think there is still a community out there playing mod versions till this day.

  8. 43 minutes ago, Rey21 said:

    Would like to think Hahn feels the same way but Jerry doesn’t believe in paying a bunch of 15 & 16 year old with potential to help you make more money..

    I buy that theory if Sox do not invest in 16 year olds period. But Sox has sign these kids in the past, including this signing period, but just not often enough. Now you could make case that perhaps they only engaged with these kids the year prior to their eligible year, instead of approaching them at 13/14 years old. But I don’t think anyone here could confirm that.

  9. 27 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:

    Let's be real. This concept works but many teams fail at it. Our problem was always signing mid tier bums past their primes and teading away prospects for washed up vets. We have a very good roster right now and probably will have the second best in the AL. I think we will get better with acquiring young talent, but let's not act like our roster isn't stacked. We are getting the top Cuban guys and will continue to do so. 

    Lastly, MVP Baseball 2005 needs to come back. That was the most fun baseball game I've ever played. 

    Sox has a strong roster in spite of some terrible decisions in LatAM spending. They could have so much more assets to trade from but wasted their bonus pool on guys like Yolbert or throwing the money away like it’s nothing. When they did spend on the 16 year olds previously, they had not gotten anything to show for (Franklin Reyes, Amando, Nunez, Felix Mercedes, etc). I applaud them for trying but it was at a time they have one of the worst developmental programs in all of majors.

    Sox and Padres had been on a similar trajectory for a few years now, this offseason has really shown the true difference between how these teams are built. Despite trading for 3 highly valuable SPs, they still maintain one of the top farms in MLB with strong depth.

  10. Back when I played MVP baseball I always drafted the youngest players because they perceived to have the highest upside. It’s not a difficult concept. Take 5 shots with 5 players for $2.5M is a much better gamble than signing a Yolbert Sanchez for $2.5M because he’s a safer choice. Build a good development program and trust your coaching staffs to develop these kids. In the case scenario you could still trade them after they show little promise in DSL or rookie league before anyone finds out if these players are any good.

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  11. 7 minutes ago, fathom said:

    Not a fan of their outfield to be honest

    Grisham is a fantastic young player and Pham and Myers are capable, with Cronenworth now boosting its depth. Is it their strength? No. But it’s far from a weakness.

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