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10 minutes ago, scotty22hotty said:
time to turn around the franchise
building around Robert/Cease entering 2024 would be any competent GMs dream
Who do they got to work with besides those two? Eloy is good for 100 games a year at DH, their farm is still middle of the pack, and JR isn’t willing to open up checkbook for high end free agents. Whoever’s taking over has their work cut out for them.
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Waiting for Bob to tweet that TLR will be brought in as the head of search committee to fill these roles.
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57 minutes ago, Tony said:
Now we're cooking
Davis looks like a solid signing.
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4 minutes ago, Tony said:
There has to be a reason Poles/FO showed basically zero interest in pursing Roquan with a new deal...
Having their reasons doesn’t make it the right move. Just like they were reasons to trade for Claypool, signing Pringle, or drafting Velus Jones. I hope we could see those reasons translate into on field results soon, I’m not sold on the Poles/Eberflus combo yet, but time will tell here.
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2 minutes ago, chw42 said:
I wonder if it comes down to how they viewed the free agent tackles. McGlinchey and Taylor are decent players, but they aren't elite. Edmunds is an elite linebacker, especially in coverage. Both of them got more money than Edmunds and there are still other options at tackle in FA and the draft.
Unless they go after one in the draft, they’d have to pay a decent amount even for the next tier tackles.
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5 minutes ago, Tony said:
Hard to imagine Edmund fitting better than Roquan TBH. I’ve read that Eberflus wanted a playmaker and a turnover machine from this position and Edmunds is not that.
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3 minutes ago, chw42 said:
I hope they have a plan for the defensive line. They've thrown 1/3 of their cap space at linebacker. The LB room is the best part of the defense now, but there are huge holes on the defensive line. If your line can't get pressure or stop runs, it really doesn't matter how good the rest of your defense is.
They still have 40 million of cap space and more if they cut Whitehair. Hopefully they spend it on someone like Jones and an edge rusher. Then go and pick an OT at 9.
Love the Edwards signing but I would have prioritize DL/OL over Edmunds. They pretty much have to go after linemen with the first 3 picks.
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8 minutes ago, Tony said:
They could had Roquan and Edwards for $26.5M AAV (and a high 2nd had they not wasted it on Claypool). Roquan has one more year with slightly higher guarantee. I don’t think at the end it makes material differences where you need burn bridges with a star player who’s building legacy with your franchise. Unless the coaching staff feels that Edwards could anchor the defense better than Roquan.
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Roquan got $60M guaranteed. I wonder if that was the number Roquan wanted from the Bears and end up not getting.
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48 minutes ago, bmags said:
The point is Moores contract is not a penalty to any acquiring team. You aren’t getting a discount because of his contract which is incredibly team friendly.
It is not incredibly team friendly. I wouldn’t even call it team friendly. WR is one position you get good production immediately from rookie contracts. See 2022 Mooney.
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9 minutes ago, chw42 said:
We have to spend something like $240 million to meet the minimum this year. Moore has $40 million guaranteed, his salary is cheaper than what you'll find in free agency.
They have a number of holes on the team and meeting the salary floor shouldn’t have been an issue.
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15 minutes ago, bmags said:
I guess the football knowers are here but I don’t know I’ve always thought DJ Moore was great, but he has been in shitty offenses with awful QBs, not much different production than AJ Brown had in Tn
I see Moore as more of a good #2. He caught 21 TDs in 5 seasons and Brown caught 23 in just 3 with Titans. Brown is definitely a bigger body guy with better measurements and a legit red zone target.
Put it this way, if Bears were to trade the #1 pick and take a $20M cap hit I would expect a chance at a franchise changing defender or a #1 receiver in addition to future picks.
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6 minutes ago, chw42 said:
It depends on how you value Moore.
The #9 and #61 pick have a draft value of 1642 draft points. The first pick is worth 3000.
If you assume the Panthers are a bottom 10 team again next year, then that 2024 first is worth anywhere from 1500 to 650 draft points. Let's say it's 650.
The 2025 2nd is probably irrelevant at this point, but let's value that at 100 points. That puts the total draft pick value at almost 2400 points. 600 points is the approximate value of the 31st pick in the draft this year.
If you think Moore is worth a late 1st or early 2nd rounder, then this is a pretty fair deal. if you think Moore is worth less than that, then you probably think the Bears could have gotten more.
Most of the mock trades had teams paying 20% above the #1 pick trade value for it. This is definitely underwhelming, and Moore’s contract is going to eat into our cap space.
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Moore isn’t a number 1 WR and we aren’t getting a franchise changing defender at #9. Not a fan here.
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I want to give s%*# to the Sox for this move, but I find it hard to.
Look at it this way, it’s hard to see this deal being in the negative value. Even if he’s averages 2 WAR during his age 28-33 seasons, this is still a fair value deal. He was a 5 WAR player back in 2018 and coming off a 3 WAR season, I could see him being an above average player if he’s healthy again and take advantage of hitting at GRF.
Only reason to hate on this move is this isn’t a move that would put them over the top, but at this point no single move would. Let’s just hope we can get another bat at 2B and round out the team.
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1 hour ago, Paulie4Pres said:
They're forcing players to choose between going to college and being a kid, or immediately starting their "pro" career. I'd wager the overwhelming majority of these 17 and 18 year old high school kids lack the maturity to be a "professional" anything. Let alone thrown into an MLB farm system.
Yes, the higher round picks are well compensated, but how many rounds are there in the MLB draft, again? And from what I understand, that college scholarship program is a negotiated part of their first contract. Meaning, not all players get it? Do we really believe an owner like Reinsdorf is paying for college for ALL of the guys that they draft? Lol, come on.
My statement really wasn't about Noah Schultz. It's a general statement about the MLB's draft policy.
The MLB is the only sport that works this way, and forces kids to choose college or a pro career immediately. Hell, the NBA won't even let you draft high school kids. I think kids having to make those decisions right out of high school is fucked up. But to each their own.
That’s a weird take. MLB is the only sport that gives prep players options to go to college or turn pro. NFL and NBA forces players to go to college. Great players in college basketball turn pro after a year if they think they’re a lottery pick anyways. In facts players have long complained about having to play in college with minimum compensation that now NBA allows prep players to play in the G League for a year and become eligible for draft.
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On 6/10/2022 at 8:53 AM, Dominikk85 said:
I get it is not all luck as part of the issue is that jerry won't pay up for the top guys, but the kind of "success" they had in the last couple years is just unreal.
Sure a lot of them are older and some regression was expected but certainly not that much.
Pollock is a good example, he has been injury prone but generally a solid player when healthy. Some regression was expected but he still was projected for a 110-115 wrc+, now he is at 78.
Encarnacion had a 130 wrc+ in 2019 and 70 in 2020.
Mazara was a mid 90s wrc+ guy and went to worst hitter in the league (66 wrc+). Cesar hernandez of course wasn't as good as the first half of last season indicated but you could have expected like a mid 90s wrc+.
Kimbrel also overperformed in the first half last year but no way he is that bad
That happened so many times and I'm not sure why it happened.
The team gets criticized for not having enough depth and being a stars and scrubs team but really many of those acquisitions shouldn't habe been that bad, they just needed to be 1 WAR guys instead of minus 1 WAR guys and couldn't climb that low bar. That is really strange.
Yeah, the front office did buy high on veterans and in some cases it probably was a dead cat bounce but that it always went all the way down is just strange.
Most of the guys you mentioned are past their prime player and did not rebound elsewhere. So yea, this is mainly a byproduct of targeting low end of the market for bargains, bad scouting and player analytics in general.
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The best thing we could hope for is this team continues to slide and becomes sellers at the deadline, makes a few moves to retool, TLR relieved of his duties and we do this again next season.
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No, this has been a .500 team for the last 120 games or so now. Great pitching isn’t going to overcome poorly hitting and field and awful lineups and managerial decisions.
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55 minutes ago, JoeC said:
Not sure I agree with you on that part.
Other teams besides the Dodgers were in the market for a closer (Braves, for instance).I would assume other deals they looked at had them eating money and getting marginal value in return. There is a reason they couldn’t get a deal done until a week before season start.
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2 minutes ago, JoeC said:
Honestly, I'm realizing that I had a skewed view of Hahn's offseason.
I'll make the case that picking up Kimbrel's option and trading him was the right move (sunk cost, get something in return... which he managed to do). Other than that, I think I stand corrected.
It was a high risk low reward move. It was done to save face for the disaster of a trade They were a week before the season starts away from being stuck with him. Had Kenley Jansen resigned with Dodgers they’d be screwed. With the $16M I rather they sign someone outright who could stay on the field more so than Pollock.
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On 5/18/2022 at 9:41 AM, JoeC said:
The struggles of this team right now really can't be placed on Hahn IMO.
The issues going into the offseason were:
- How to unload Kimbrel and get something in return
- How to upgrade in RF
- How to upgrade at 2B
- How to shore up the rotation beyond Cease - Lynn - Kopech
He addressed (1) and (2) by acquiring Pollock
#4 has proven to be miraculously OK.
#3 is obviously still a shit show.
If this team were healthy (Lynn, Giolito, Moncada, Eloy) and players were performing up to par (basically everyone except for Vaughn and the TA's bat), we wouldn't be talking about this.
Could Hahn have done more? Yeah, probably - but to blame him for this team underperforming is misplaced blame IMO.
It seems like he failed at all 4 of the points you mentioned, not sure if you are being serious asking if he could have done more.
1) Wouldn’t have been an issue had they declined his option, or better yet not trade for him…
2) They brought in an injury prone at RF so you could use the injury excuse at the end.
3) Big F.
4) How is this not a failure? Even if you want to use the injury excuse Keuchel was still penciled in as the 5th starter with everyone healthy. That is an absolute failure.
5) Again you used the injury excuse. It’s like no one has seen that one coming. What has Hahn done to add depth to this team?
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On 5/18/2022 at 11:57 AM, Jack Parkman said:
We need to stop overrating our players.
A lot of these guys are riding on prospect reputation rather than what they've done in MLB.
For once I wholeheartedly agree with Parkman. This is the issue I keep seeing with this board during the off season. People who ignored how bad the off season turned out to be because they somehow believed this core was a lot better they actually have shown and this is easily still a playoff team. Part of it is people were still valuing the players based on their former top 5 or 10 prospect reputation, other part of it is not realizing how good other teams or other players actually are. In reality no one on this team will finish top 10 in MVP voting for one reason or another. Robert and Eloy won’t likely play for than 120 games. Moncada isn’t the 30/30 MVP caliber player we thought he’d be. Vaughn hasn’t yet develop into the middle of the order bat we thought he could be. Madrigal is gone. We have some pretty awesome pitchers but that ain’t enough to carry this dreadful offense. We can blame injuries but that’s always going to be there with this group.
It isn’t as if we didn’t see this coming. The Sox basically played .500 baseball since the ASB last year and got embarrassed by the astros in the playoffs. Perhaps the 1st half was an aberration and .500 baseball is what we could expect from this team and this manager.
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Also I’ve had Yolbert as a top 5 prospects by midpoint last year. He’s not getting a lot of love from the industry, but I could see him being a Madrigal lite on offense while being more consistent on defense.
FutureSox: International Signing Preview
in Pale Hose Talk
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White Sox gonna be White Sox. While they landed a top 10 quality kid, the class is incredibly shallow as usual and I suspect they have money left they aren’t going to spend and trade away at some point.