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    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    9 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said:

    You're the 2nd person doing this BS comparison. 

    Keuchel + Kimbrel + the rest of the pile of asses they have gathered via free agency doesn't even get to 50% of the $$$ commitment to Harper / Machado in free agency. 

    I think that's where you guys continue to mis-read cheap ass Reinsdorf.  

    He's fine paying $180 million in payroll for one season, He just refuses to pay that to one guy for 8 seasons. 

    Re-read my post then. It isn't about JR being cheap at this point, he has spent, it's how the money was spent. Not willing pay a star for 8 seasons yet overpaying a bunch of replacement level players EVERY SEASON is basically of the resource allocation criticism. We're heading into year 4 of the Manny/Harper deals, they have been worth every penny since the signing, still in their prime, and no signs of slowing down anytime soon.

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    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    49 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said:

    Tim Anderson SS

    Yoan Moncada 2B

    Luis Robert CF

    Jose Abreu 1B

    Yasmani Grandal C

    Eloy Jimenez LF 

    Andrew Vaughn RF

    Gavin Sheets DH

    Josh Harrison 2B

     

    Are there even 5 teams better than this? 

    It's actually pretty easy to answer this. Sox had 93 wins last season, 2 wins ahead of the 4th place team in AL East. Would they have made the playoffs had they played in the ALE and having to play the top 4 teams 72 times a year? That's not counting the Astros, and also Dodgers, Braves, and Giants in the NL.

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    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    29 minutes ago, HOFHurt35 said:

    And truthfully, I hate this front office.   I hate their drafting, their development, Free Agency work, and short term philosophy.  

    They have lucked their way into building a Championship Caliber Roster. 

    And for that,  I'm 100% grateful and positive. 

    They've made some great firesale trades and went with their guts to open up the checkbook for Robert that has helped build a playoff caliber roster.

    However they failed to repeat the same results since then to improve the team via trades and refused to spend near the top of the market for free agents. Overall team talent has not improved since then and other organizations have caught up and passed them by. To top it off, player development has been more of the same. They had a great start, there were many paths they could have taken to turn this into a true championship caliber roster, yet they chose the wrong path seemingly every time.

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    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    24 minutes ago, ptatc said:

    Don't even bother trying to post anything positive. You'll be labeled a front office shill and and people can't u derstand why you do nothing but defend every move the FO has ever made.

    More than the move they've made, it's also the moves they didn't make. The money that could have gone to any of Harper/Manny/Wheeler/Springer etc. is end up allocated to likes of Keuchel and Kimbrel while resorting to trotting Yermin at OF and Vaughn/Sheet at 2B. I think they deserve every blame they've gotten the last 3 years.

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    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

    Ray Ray is right.  We are a lot closer to 8-9 than #2 in the majors.

    Especially with how thin that starting rotation actually is…even one season ending injury there to Gio/Lynn/Cease and they’re quickly behind the 8 ball in May/June desperation mode and sporting the worst farm system in baseball to trade from. 

    Our future ranking, if factoring in the farm, places in the middle of the pack. Only saving grace being the extensions Hahn was able to pull off.

    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    8 minutes ago, DirtySox said:

    Me. I don't love the offseason so far but it's still not over. I'm not entirely optimistic on what might come, but I have better things to do than gnash my teeth and wallow in misery about an offseason that isn't complete yet. I'll reserve my right to be annoyed and upset after we see the final results.

    Expecting the worst from here till end of the off season save you the trouble of any dramatic outbursts at the end. I call it the Parkman mentality.

    But seriously, I do really hope they pull it off at the end, but have very low expectations.

    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

    VaFan?  Eminor?   Even the mods are getting tired of defending the front office…you can tell their hearts are not really in it 100%

    Ahh yes. I am sure if and when Conforto signs else where I am sure VAfan will reassure us in the other thread that we didn't need RF upgrade and that we're as good as any team out there.

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    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    Free Agency Fun Facts!

    • The Sox have signed three of the seven largest reliever contracts over the past two off-seasons (~43%), including two of only three deals that go beyond two years
    • Only 20 free agents have signed deals for three years or longer in length this off-season, with 17 of those for starting pitchers or everyday positional guys
    • Of the three 3+ year length contracts that are for relievers or bench players, the Sox have signed two of them

    The gift of TLR that keeps on giving.

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    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

    It’s worth pointing out that the Rays sent Joey Wendle to the Marlins for a AA outfielder who has some promise but didn’t break the bank. A couple people had suggested him beforehand, he is in his arb-2 year so cheaper than either of the 2b/utility guys they paid for. That would have absolutely been worth something of comparable value to the white Sox.

    Yea I like Misner but that's great value for Wendle. I would have gladly dealt Adolfo + for him, and he would have been a great fit at 2B over Leury and Harrison.

    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    35 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

    That's fair.  But looking at AAV for this year while dismissing the rest of the contract is cherry picking and dismissing an enormous part of the calcullus.  

    Sox needed RP.  They signed 2 solid relievers and a swing man.  Ray thinks he could have chosen better?  Shocking development.  

    Sox needed a 2B.  They signed someone I don't love, but he at least plays good 2B and is a sparkplug and the FA market didn't have many options.  I never expected the 2B signing to be a splash.  Harrison is a perfectly acceptable 2B and 9 hole hitter IF IF IF IF IF Sox sign Conforto, who by the way, is still available.  

    Kimbrel is still on the rsoter, but they still have a few weeks to trade him.  He'll get moved.    

    Honestly, I am not excited about the Sox offseason to this point.  I have a hard time understanding what they're trying to accomplish.  But we're dealing with an incomplete picture.  The order of the deals is somewhat meaningless, even if its hard to see through the trees at this point.  If this is the roster they break camp with, b**** away.  But we're weeks away from that.  And by the way, this roster is still one of the best in baseball and will win this division going away.  

    They signed fine relievers but have overpaid in the process, especially in the case of Kelly who is injured. You didn't expect 2B to be a splash, but that's just a byproduct of not having expectation for this FO, not that they were not capable. Had it not been the Kelly and VV signing, they could have walked away with Escobar and McHugh. The fact that Kimbrel is still on the roster is likely the reason they didn't QO Rodon or we weren't able to give Conforto the money he's looking for.

    I am in the camp of losing all my patience with the FO this offseason, and I was on the other side defending them every single year prior. Honestly it's the vicious cycle every time,  at the start of offseason we identify a couple of tier 1/2 free agents we expect the FO to go after that would been a great fit on this roster, rumors come up and we get excited, but with each passing day deal isn't getting done the likelihood of the deal happen diminishes and we end up sobbing and venting when it's all over. And with how the offseason has been progressing (poor spending of resources, and lack of advancement in Conforto talks) I don't see how this one would turn out any different.

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    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    5 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said:

    From who?  I'm genuinely curious which teams would still offer Conforto 5/100 at this point.  Padres possibly, but if they pivot to Freeman, Castellanos or someone else, then they'd be out.

    The entire NL west is after him. The Dodgers/Padres whoever doesn’t get Freeman will be willing open up the checkbook.

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    2 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

    $4/80 always felt fair to me, maybe slightly higher with a 5th year option and opt outs.  Whether the FO wants to pay that is another story.  Schwarber getting close to 4/$80 maybe helps set the market for Conforto & Castellanos?  IDK. 

    I am pretty sure 4/$80-85M would be the offer we gave Conforto. If Schwarber got this deal, I think Conforto would get 5 years and more dollars

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    Offseason Part 2 - Lets the Rumors & Action Begin

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    12 minutes ago, fathom said:

    Anderson pick deserves a ton of credit 

    I give them credit for that, but in the grand scheme when you have only developed 2 guys (TA and Rodon) from draft or INTL market over 14 years into contributors for your team, it’s seriously depressing.

    Edit: technically 3 guys since Robert did come from this system.

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    7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    It’s amazing how much the failures of our minor league system are costing us right now.  From 2015 to 2018 we had five first round picks.  Two of them were eventually DFAed, one of them is a backup catcher who can’t catch and only has one option left, and another was a guy who contributing but was traded for 1 to 2 years of a reliever making ~$16M.  At this point, our only hope of extracting future value is from a 3B/1B type coming off two Achilles injuries and who turns 26 next month.  That’s all we have to show from our 1st round picks from four drafts.  And non of these guys were high variance HS picks, but rather safe college picks.

    Let’s go another level though.  The Sox had six total 2nd & 3rd round picks across these drafts.  Out of these six players, only one remains in the organization in Gavin Sheets.  Of the five others, one was traded for two months of Caesar Hernández, one was traded for one year of Nomar Mazara, one was traded for one year of Yondor Alonso, and the other two retired or were claimed off waiver.  Again, all six of these college picks, most of them of the safe variety.

    I could go a level further and point out all the relievers we drafted in the middle rounds, all the relievers we acquired by selling international bonus slots, and the fact that we invested $2.5M in Yogurt Sanchez instead of signing teenagers who are a currency rebuilding teams actually want.  Good thing we have all those relief prospects and near ready utility man in Yogurt so we can prioritize other needs in free agency…whoops.

    Rick Hahn is purely living on the laurels of the Abreu/Robert signing and the trades he made at the beginning of the rebuild. Outside of the Lynn trade, Hendriks signing, the organization had not done anything worth a damn to improve the team into a championship contender, and build an pipeline that could extend their window.

    But hey, at least we’re not the Reds, right?

     

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