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9 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
Who exactly said he won't be traded ? I get why they got Kelly it's simple . They are getting rid of Kimbrel and Kopech isnt going to be used the way he was last year. I also get the total influx of GB relievers . I also hope old man Harrison can play an above average 2nd base to support all the GB type pitchers and is nifty turning a DP. But all you have to do is go back to last year and see all the people telling us here that the BP was lights out good to know and pound it into people's heads again that relievers are a messy bunch. I also know because of the lockout the 162 game schedule is being condensed and BP pieces are needed now more than ever but again it's built in excuses for TLR , Hahn and JR to keep doing what they have been doing.
It's also getting pretty old that the allocation of funds to relief pitcher is TLR , Hahn and JR tailor made to get less expensive players. If you get the position players you need 1st and because of that your BP sucks well then pick up BP pieces at the TDL . Good position players are the foundation of an exciting bombs away team but they are costly. Bullpen pieces are unexciting and volatile although necessary evil which should be secondary to acquire the LH strength we need. The condensed schedule is also why the money could be spent on a another starting pitcher over that much desire by the fanbase LH savage.
Completely agreed on the priorities. I would never throw big money on two BP arms and then try to bargain hunt for RF, 2B and SP. Imagine if the bullpen expenditures took us out of the running for Conforto and we have to settle for Joc or someone worse.
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15 minutes ago, CeaseAndExist said:
Everything in this post is wrong, everything.
Also, this board would have imploded if Hahn gave $68M guaranteed to a RP as inconsistent as Iglesias, and you would have been leading that charge.
Good analysis.
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1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Kimbrel is getting traded, but keep on trolling bro…
Even if he’s getting traded, overspending on BP is the reason why we lost Madrigal. We’re being managed by someone who is about a decade or two behind in baseball who insists on throwing all the resources at BP and paying for past performance, while successful orgs invest in scouting and pitching development to develop their BP arms (see Rays’ spending on BP).
I’m more ok if we threw the money at someone other than Kelly. Kelly was decent with Dodgers last year but was used in low leverage situations, and yet we’re paying him like an 7th or 8th inning high leverage arm. For comparison, Raisel Iglesias, who is arguably a top 5 reliever in baseball, got $14.5M AAV, which is basically what we’re paying Harrison and Kelly (longer contract and all).
Also FWIW the Dodgers who have unlimited payroll could have kept Kelly for $8M this year, yet they declined the option. We’re paying him $17M for next 2 years.
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On 12/14/2021 at 8:27 AM, Y2Jimmy0 said:
Yeah it’s sucks. It’s US tax law though. The biggest issue appears to be that the contract is signed in January at the beginning of the calendar year. If it were July, it wouldn’t be much if an issue IMO
Doesn't it help if he's already 23 (24 in Sept)? In fact he's almost exactly 1 year younger than Cespedes, who signed last January and played stateside. I would think at that age they would rather try to get to majors as early as possible and make league minimum instead of minor league salary.
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I'm glad J Rod, Adolfo, and to some extend Sosa are showing some success on the LatAM side. They're the first young J2 signings that have been able to progress past the Low A level since J2 system began. Having those names graduate to the MLB level would be a major win for the LatAM scouting and player development team.
Unfortunately on the US prep side success is just as hard to come by. The list of recent prep hitter - Zangari, Curbelo, Abbot, Delgado, Weaver, Bush, Beard, Gladney, Glass, and Krogman have all failed or are failing to develop. When I say they're bad, they have been really bad... sub .200 hitters with 40% + k rate and 1/8 BB/K rates, those are astonishingly bad number. Prospects are a crapshoot and even more so for high schoolers who aren't top 3 round talents. But you would think out of all those names, at least one would have a modicum of success at low minors or at least develop passable plate discipline, but no we have seen no evidence of it at all, whether it's a scouting issue or player development issue is another debate. For Sox to continue a produce a pipeline of prospects who could contribute at MLB level they need to start hitting on some of these players, or at least develop them into org players. They're player scouting/development in general still have a lot of catching up to do to be able to build a continuous pipeline for the team and catch up to some of the better farms in the league.
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His comp is Juan Soto… Not too bad.
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I might be the high man on Yolbert but he’s a top 10 prospect for me right now, might be closer to top 5. I hope he could tap into that power more consistently.
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If Yolbert could keep this up, he should be the starting 2B for the Sox by OD 2023.
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It’s early but we might have an interesting prospect in Veras. Big power corner IF with comps to Edwin Encarnacion, and nephew of Fernando Tatis.
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17 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Seriously, I was skeptical they’d take advantage of the full 5% overage, but super glad to be wrong here.
Why though? I am not sure if there are many teams that do not spend the 5% overage that’s why I had thought Burke and Gosswein would go for more than what people are projecting.
In a way, with this class, I was hoping they didn’t spend the full 5% overage and sign the picks for what they would have gotten on another team. Sox has a tendency to overpay for college signings, their bonus to Gosswein, picks 6-12 which are all college seniors (including some 5th year seniors) only continues that trend. That limited their ability to go after another HS pick like Butler this draft, and would continue to do so going forward.
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7 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:
20 SBs too. Didn’t realize he was swiping that many bags. He’s a super exciting talent.
Lots of gaudy SB numbers in A ball this year due to changes to run game (in low A there is a 2 PO attempt limit per AB). I think his 2019 SB numbers are more indicative of his skills on the base paths.
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1 hour ago, bmags said:
I'm so bored of everything needing to be leveled up to the same story line.
I'm going to give Yermin the benefit of the doubt here. He may be acting rashly, but he also isn't crazy to be at this point:
- Yermin is 28 years old and has been in the minors for 9.5 of his 10 year playing career, and most of that in the absolute worst of what the minor leagues has to offer.
- He was up long enough to be a part of the MLBs pension plan
- He is now looking at an uncertainly long future of being back in the minors, being on a bus living nomad life for crap pay again, the guy never got a big draft bonus or anything.
- He was probably given things to work on for the sox from hitting and defense. He was playing on a team that trusted multiple 1b only players to suddenly try different positions, except him who wasn't even trusted for his "own" position. So he's a bat only player that struggled mightily for 2 of his 3 months.
Again he's 28. He's been really close to the big leagues for 3 years, he got the pension, etc.
And if you are the sox what do you do? Just DFA him out of politeness? Trade him just because?
He's pretty stuck in his opportunity right now. Good enough to be depth, still likely passed over.
Adn as for Tony. I'll never let a coach slide for not defending his players. But there is no way that just caused Yermin to crater. He isn't the reason Yermin is retiring. And I don't want Tony worrying about AAA players when he has 26 guys to worry about right now.
As you said, the guy crawled his way to the majors after 10 years in the minors, he has dealt with a lot of adversity and setbacks along the way. I don’t think the TLR incident would have been enough to break him and force him to retire. From the BLA article, he’s struggled financially (no surprises given milb pay) and has a large family to feed. There’s gotta be more to the story then the TLR incident to make him step away from the game.
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Wow he really did retire…
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5 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:
Well it's not much but I believe he now has healthcare for life and a partial pension for life as well. The pension is something like 9K a year for life. Probably not enough to life on unless he wants to go back to the Dominican and live quite frugally but he's certainly got a good start on the rest of his life -- if he does retire.
Yea but if he work himself back to a DH/1B role for a second division team he could be making so much more. Too early for him to call quits on that.
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How in the world is Yermin who barely made any money playing professional baseball retiring at 28?
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8 hours ago, Harry Chappas said:
Colson should play Anderson in a charity 1 on 1 basketball game at Soxfest next year.
Winner stays at SS in 2024 loser moves to catcher.
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21 hours ago, bmags said:
Feels like there will be some movement. Surprised Imit has been so piecemeal
Probably due to aggressive assignments in low minors and most of the prospects there hasn’t been doing that well. I am not sure if there will be too many low minor promotions for the key prospects, but I could see one or all of Adolfo, Romy, and Pilkington moving to AAA at some point.
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Does this set up J Rod to A+ and Montgomery A ball in a few weeks?
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6 minutes ago, Tony said:
Dude, read the room.
White Sox wins WS in 2023.
Parkman: be glad this happened, everyone is gone in 2 years.
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1 minute ago, fathom said:
I would say the opposite and gives them more cost certainty for next year, which allows them to trade guys they might have needed.
Lambert, Stiever, Pilkington, it was nice knowing ya.
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26 minutes ago, bmags said:
Smelley was just about to transfer right? Extra tears of eligibility meant college players had more leverage so it’s not clear we were under using bonus money.
Yea I think he is, but still not sure if he’s getting too much overslot even with the leverage.
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28 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:
Burke will be slot and Gosswein is probably $100K at least. I think Smelley and Edwards could be above as well
Even if they’re over, do you think it will be by much, especially with Edwards being a senior? I can’t don’t understand not using all the bonuses, even in a pandemic year with limited traveling.
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42 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
So Montgomery, Kath, & McDougal will come in at ~$1M over slot. That leaves ~$2M in slot for the rest of the draft. The Burke & Gosswein picks are worth ~$1.1 in a slot and picks 6-10 are worth ~$0.9M. We should save ~$0.8M on that latter group of picks, which means the remaining ~$0.2M and spend over $125k in rounds 10 to 20 will come at Gosswein’s expense. Now it makes sense why we didn’t draft a lot of preps on day three.
If you include the the 5% overage Sox could spend up to $6.95 mil. Assuming all of those figures are true, Burke is slot, Gosswein is only $15k signing (per Harold?), and that Butler is the only overslot signing for past round 10, then I have them at $6.39 mil currently. That tells me Burke is likely overslot by quite a bit, and that Gosswein would be more than $15k, which is likely. I would hate for them to leave bonuses on the table if they could have taken shot at another HS kid.
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2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
I would be shocked if MIcker is still here by opening day 2022.
I am including him until he isn't, but yes more than likely he's gone. Whichever one of Thompson/Daulquist who could right the ship would be the next man up for me.
White Sox Sign RP Joe Kelly (2yrs with a club option; $17m)
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Yet they had holes to fill at RF, 2B and needed another mid rotation SP. The savings at the aforementioned positions should be allocated at those spots instead of throwing big money at Kelly.