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    Why NOT trade Chris Sale?

    QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 05:35 PM) The incident happened 1 week ago. Of course he hasn't been yet. For *right now*, he should be viewed as having the plague; if you trade for him he could infect your team. If we had a 2 month investigation first and knew what the results were, fine, but the winter meetings are happening now. I frankly haven't looked into the situation much, but didn't Puig like push his sister? Its not like he cold clocked his GF in an elevator and dragged her across the floor knocked out or anything... Not saying he is a good guy. I've had very minimal interest in Puig since people started pushing for him this past Summer, but from the little I have heard of the situation, it doesn't seem quite fair to convict him a woman beater yet. That said, there may be more to the story that I haven't heard.
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    Why NOT trade Chris Sale?

    QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 05:28 PM) Apparently that's a severe underpayment by the Dodgers. You guys are also right, I shouldn't compare Santana with Sale because Santana was by far the best pitcher in baseball at the time of the trade and of his generation. Do controllable years and $$ mean nothing to you? Because it would seem that way from your "analysis".
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    Why NOT trade Chris Sale?

    QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 04:06 PM) Sale's contract is maybe worth another top 5 prospect. You guys aren't even asking for that. You guys are asking for Seager, Pederson, Urias at minimum. There's no precedent for that. Hell, Atlanta is only asking for Pollock for Miller. No offense, but the more you post about this the more convinced I am you don't understand the economics of baseball. Comparing Shelby Miller to Sale is comical. As is one year of Johan Santana at "market value" versus 4 years of Sale, two of which are options, at at AAV of about $20-20M below his market value. That isn't worth one prospect, and if that's what you believe, I won't be able to convince you otherwise. But I can assure you that the Sox won't trade Sale unless they are absolutely blown away. In my mind, Seager and Pederson is a nice start to the package. But at least two more top prospects or young controllable MLB players would need to be included to get the Sox to even consider moving Sale.
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    Why NOT trade Chris Sale?

    QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) But you can. There's no justifying what you guys are asking for. Yes, I want the Dodgers top 5 prospects as well, 3 of which are MLB ready. But that ain't happening. You don't just settle for the best offer when you have one of the most valuable trade chips and most dominate pitchers in the game under contract for 4 more years. You wait til you get what you want, or you don't trade him. Settling for less would be incredibly dumb, and I am confident the Sox aren't that stupid.
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    Why NOT trade Chris Sale?

    QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) But you can. There's no justifying what you guys are asking for. Yes, I want the Dodgers top 5 prospects as well, 3 of which are MLB ready. But that ain't happening. Yeah, I agree. That's why he won't be traded.
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    Why NOT trade Chris Sale?

    QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 03:00 PM) Again, I'll wait for someone to show me where the precedence is three top 10 prospects in all of baseball. I don't think even Johann Santana commanded that much. There is no precedence. That's why he probably won't be traded for a few years, if at all. Plus, you can't just compare Sale to past elite pitchers in a vacuum. His contract is an enormous differentiator that adds oodles of value.
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    Why NOT trade Chris Sale?

    QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 02:13 PM) I think so as well. And they still value Puig very highly. That's why for me, I think a Seager, Pederson/Verdugo would be fine. If you can squeeze out Puig from them too, that would be great. Seager and Pedrson/Verdugo doesn't even come close to sniffing Sale. Not even close.
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    Jeff Samardjiza signs with SF Giants, 5/90.

    QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Dec 5, 2015 -> 01:47 PM) Crazy to think that in a year with crazy salaries being tossed around, one of the best pitchers in the game signs a 5 year deal for only $90 million Bit of a stretch, no? Sharks a pretty solid pitcher, but not one of the best.
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    Diamond Club is Temporarily Closing

    I like having the MLB discussions in PHT. I spend a good amount on Soxtalk, and I could count on one hand the number of times I've looked at the Diamond Club or whatever it is called. I would enjoy to discuss those topics, but obviously come to Soxtalk first and foremost to read/chat about the Sox. But I don't mind seeing the other news, even thought it probably isn't something I haven't already heard. I looked at MLBTR probably 10x a day. But I just have never really cared to go to a separate part of the site to look for general MLB discussion. I think its great to have it all in grouping during the offseason. In other news, BRING BACK THE CATCHALLS! The Offseason Plans thread was great. Catch alls are fun, and I feel not having them does the exact opposite of what you think you're accomplishing. You're always going to have people who don't like things one way or another, and as the owner of the site do whatever you please, but I will continue to voice my opinion on the matter when it is brought up. BRING BACK THE CATCH ALLS!
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    Garin Cecchini DFA

    Long time Sox 3B target for many Soxtalkers. His prospect star has faded, but is still only 24. Played mainly LF last year, so must not be much of a 3B. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Sox take a gamble.
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    Garin Cecchini DFA

    QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 04:12 PM) Very quick fall. Maybe too quick. Woulda been right up your alley a short 12 months ago.
  12. QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 02:58 PM) Ah I see. A much larger one. Such a BIG improvement. The video board at the Cell was truly embarrassing compared to what the newer stadiums have. I only get to a few games at the Cell a year since I live in MN, but I feel I can take credit for this since everytime I got a fan experience questionnaire email, I expounded on how badly the cell needed this. New Video Board Edit: my eye for color is off, but you get it.
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    Winter Meetings: Predictions

    QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 10:29 AM) Bad way. I admittedly don't know much about the guys he mentioned besides Trea Turner. But Trea Turner would look damn good at SS for the Sox for the next 6 years.
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    Sox Sign Dioner Navarro

    I don't understand what the economics of this deal haven't been announced.
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    Who Do You Want at 3rd Next Season?

    QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 08:10 AM) The value of power bullpen arms is quickly rising, esp considering a mediocre starting staff + 4 power pitching arms just dominated the World Series. Sox have tried to find those guys on the cheap- power with no command and let Coop fix them like he did Thornton a decade ago. But the Cooper magic has faded. Yes, relievers have value. But cornerstone 3B have more.
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    Andre Ethier

    QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 08:07 AM) I would be ok with that if they took a bad contract back. John Danks anyone? That's a more realistic swap than LaRoche, tho I'd obviously rather move Adam.
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    The 40-man, Rule 5, and roster decisions

    QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 07:47 AM) We will have a Rule 5 preview up on Monday, covering this. Yes RLeyer is available, no they don't value Carroll over him, but protection is not just about prospect status. The risk of Leyer being picked is incredibly low, because he has one very good pitch (a fastball that moves and runs 94-97), and NOTHING else. His breaking pitches don't break much, and he can't locate them. Carroll is a higher claim risk than Leyer. Can you explain what puts you at risk for the minor league phase of the Rule 5? Thanks in advance.
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    Who Do You Want at 3rd Next Season?

    QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 07:54 AM) I agree about going after McMahon but with first base open for the Rockies they can put McMahon there when he's ready. That said, myself and a few others have been talking since mid summer about trying to trade Montas for McMahon since they are rated so closely together in the top 100 with Montas as #54 and McMahon at #50. In theory its a fit but if the Rockies are high on McMahon then the Sox might be SOL. This remains the most obvious trade to me, unless the Sox can get an impact bat in a deal involving Montas. You trade bullpen arms for position players all day long. Yes, I know Montas is not a bullpen arm, yet.
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    Andre Ethier

    QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 07:55 AM) Either + cash for Laroche seems fair. Can't trad young talent for Ethier. No it doesn't.
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    Who Do You Want at 3rd Next Season?

    QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 09:10 PM) We're not getting CarGo unless we give up at least a couple good prospects, and we're not getting Arenado unless we trade Sale or Quintana + the entire farm. You could get Arenado for Sale. It won't happen, but Sale is more valuable. You certainly wouldn't have to add "the farm".
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    White Sox still deciding on what to do

    QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 05:42 PM) Just a theory but the Sox might not have to eat too much salary since one year of LaRoche (13M) saves Colorado 24M by not paying CarGo (37M) for the next two years. Colorado gets a 1B in LaRoche to buy McMahon time to likely become the 1B after the '16 season. Colorado also gets Montas + in the deal. Not sure who the + is but a low level prospect might work. Thank you sir. It's just a theory and I'm really not counting on it, more wishful thinking on my part. I love any idea that moves Laroche, because it allows the Sox to move Melky to DH, which I believe is a necessity. But there is virtually no chance of acquiring Cargo in a deal involving LaRoche. Zero. Hope I am wrong, but the I bet the Rockies have gotten better offers than that, and regularly.
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    Sox Sign Dioner Navarro

    QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 02:02 PM) Do righty/lefty splits mean anything to you? Do you even understand what it means to platoon players? Navarro has always raked against lefties (for a catcher) and Avila has always raked against righties (again for a catcher). What more do you want. Or better yet, who do you want? Go take a look at the list of available catchers and come up with a name please. That's far too difficult for Greg to wrap his head around.
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    Who Do You Want at 3rd Next Season?

    I'd be fine with any of the above (sans Pedro Alvarez..he is NOT a 3B), pending who has to be given up to acquire the players currently under contract.
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    Sox Sign Dioner Navarro

    How much are they paying Navarro, damn it!?
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    Sox Sign Dioner Navarro

    Still no word on $$$? Gotta think its between $2-$3M.
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