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    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    38 minutes ago, Minoso-Pierce-Allen-HOF said:

    Luis Robert is a six-tool player.

    The sixth is his baseball IQ which is off the charts.

    Robert is the most natural baseball player to play for the White Sox since Dick Allen whom I note without his presence there would very likely not be a baseball team on the Southside anymore.

    A side note is that Dick Allen was one of the greatest players in a era that was dominated by pitching with a much higher mound and like his contemporaries such as Willie Mays, Henry Aaron, Frank Robinson, Roberto Clement, Ernie Banks and Al Kaline how this magnificent natural ball player cannot be in Cooperstown is a tragedy.

    Read up about Marvin Miller and the player who got the issues in 1972 during the strike was the soft spoken coming to Chicago slugger.

    Dick Allen may have been as great a base runner as that I have ever seen and like Mr. Robert, Dick Allen has that special baseball IQ.

    Anyone here want a refresher on the man who saved the franchise ask Steve Stone or Bill Melton what they thought and felt about Allen.

    With all due respect minus someone like Barry Bonds Allen played in the toughest pitchers era and using a 42 ounce bat hit some of the longest golf ball shots ever seen.

    Also one of the very best knowing how to hook slide.

    A bit early but Luis Robert is hands down the single most natural ballplayer since Dick Allen to come on the scene.

    Roberts speed is off the chart for a man his size.

    Looks more like Terrell Owens or Jerry Rice than a regular baseball player.

    I first saw him when he was 17 and this guy if he stays healthy is going to be a truly special ball player.

    Plus the way he carries himself is like from another era.

    Fans are going to be thrilled watching him man CF.

    Once again the most gifted natural ballplayer since Dick Allen.  

    Watch this guy run.

    A thing of pure beauty.

    Like a great thoroughbred racehorse.

    Mr. Robert can most definitely take it to the bank.

    One other thing is this young man loves to play the game of baseball.

    Stay tuned.

    You should change your screen name to TL;DR. 

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    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said:

    Im going bold. Robert puts up a 3.5 WAR, wins rookie of the year, and has a playoff walkoff THIS season. I'd kiss Hahn today if I saw him.

    Crazy thing is, if Robert plays 150+ games, he probably doesn’t need to hit much better than .250/.310/.420 to be a 3.5 win player. 

    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    6 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

    This also highlights the dilemma the Twins have with both Berrios and Buxton, as we’ve previously discussed how long to hold onto Moncada and Giolito in a “worst-case“ scenario.

    Both have adamantly refused to sign extensions, and have just two years left before free agency, at least according to FG.

    (Buxton, fwiw, perhaps is the worst-case scenario, 7.6 fWAR...but the White Sox would save $36 million on the back-end of the Robert deal, so they’re protected in both scenarios.)

    Buxton now has three years of control left after they left him in the minors 2 years ago after his injury.  Would have been a FA after 2021 with Sano.  Now its after 2022.  

    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted · Edited by ChiSox59

    2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

    Back to Gennett?  Did he sign already?

    I'd be fine with Gennett or Dietrich as a cheap stop gap 2B fill in, then bench piece.  Neither has signed yet.  But both hit lefty so neither would be a good platoonmate for Mazara down the line.  

    Sox could use someone that can cover 3B for a couple weeks.  We really don't have anyone on the roster to cover 3B.  I guess Leury could do it, but I don't think that'd be very pretty. Honestly, I kind of think the Sox resign Yolmer at this point on like a 1 year $3M deal.  

    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    11 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said:

    Don't think this has been mentioned yet, but Robert making OD lineup most likely would lead to Collins not being there, unless in the very unlikely scenario we don't add a platoon bat for Mazara. Assuming they hold off on extending Madrigal, Leury would be the OD 2B, and Engel would be the 4th OF. I think a Pence signing makes sense now more than ever.

    Bench pre-Madrigal: Pence, Engel, Mendick, McCann

    Once Madrigal comes up the bench would look like:

    Leury: Backup IF, and CF

    Pence: Backup RF, and LF

    McCann: Backup C

    Then I could see Engel and Mendick fighting for the last roster spot.

    Collins could force his hands by having a strong spring and win a spot as the 5th bench bat, but not getting consistent ABs won't do him any favor, plus I'd much rather use the 26th spot on a bullpen arm.

    I have no problem with Collins starting in AAA.  But I actually think the Sox stand pat in the OF right now.  Leury will be Mazara's platoon mate.  Mendick can cover 2B for the couple games Leury has to play RF against LHP early in the season.

    I think the Sox more likely to add a cheap 1 year 2B.  I suppose it would be ideal if that guy could also play RF and end up being Mazara's platoon mate once Madrigal arrives, but the only FA that really fits that description at this point is Zobrist.  

    Steve Stone: more bullpen help is coming

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    1 minute ago, Jose Abreu said:

    It is pretty weird that he got the Robert signing yesterday and tweeted both of those relievers a few days ago

    I mean, I haven't followed him closely, but hasn't he actually been pretty spot on?  He's either really good at guessing, or maybe he has a source or two.  

    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    35 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

    Updated guess on the breakout:

    $5M signing bonus.  

    2020: $1M

    2021: $2.5M

    2022: $5M

    2023: $8.5M

    2024: $11M

    2025: $15M

    2026; $20M club option; $2M buyout

    2027: $20M club option, $2M buyout

    Pretty close:

    No signing bonus.  

    2020: $1.5M

    2021: $3.5M

    2022: $6M

    2023: $9.5M

    2024: $12.5M

    2025: $15M

    2026; $20M club option; $2M buyout

    2027: $20M club option, $2M buyout

     

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    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    Posted · Edited by ChiSox59

    7 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

    According to Passan:

    The max value is $88MM over eight years, including $20MM club options for 2026-27 with $2MM buyouts in each of the two seasons, Passan adds.

    Updated guess on the breakout:

    $5M signing bonus.  

    2020: $1M

    2021: $2.5M

    2022: $5M

    2023: $8.5M

    2024: $11M

    2025: $15M

    2026; $20M club option; $2M buyout

    2027: $20M club option, $2M buyout

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    White Sox Sign Robert to Extension

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    3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

    My guess on the breakout:

    $5M signing bonus.  

    2020: $1M

    2021: $2.5M

    2022: $5M

    2024: $10M

    2025: $12M

    2026: $14.5M

    2027; $16.5M club options; $3M buyout

    2028: $18.5M club option, $3M buyout

    According to Passan:

    The max value is $88MM over eight years, including $20MM club options for 2026-27 with $2MM buyouts in each of the two seasons, Passan adds.

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