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9 minutes ago, MiddleCoastBias said:
My understanding of the process means it gives us a chance to clear a spot on the 40 earlier in the off-season as the decision to non-tender isn't due for a couple months. If our intention was never to bring him back, might as well start that process early to give ourselves flexibility, right?
Non tender deadline is literally a week from today, so no.
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6 minutes ago, mqr said:
Getting waived instead of non-tendered feels like there's some urgency to get him off the roster, no?
I would think so, yes.
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1 minute ago, thxfrthmmrs said:
For 2/$6M I'd bring him back.
He's on outright waivers, so he'd technically have to clear those before the Sox could offer him a deal. I think this means Yolmer is as good as gone. If there was mutual interest in a deal like that, this move wouldn't be necessary.
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This must be roster space motivated, otherwise I am struggling to figure out what the benefit to outrighting him today is. Non-tender deadline is still a week from today, so unless the Sox think they need the roster spot like....today...not sure why you make this move today. Obviously they know at this point Yolmer didn't have any trade value, but still seems like interesting timing. Maybe a favor to Yolmer? This way if a team claims him, they owe him his final year of arb as opposed to being a FA and likely getting like half his projected arb?
Just brainstorming on what the reasoning for making this move today might be.
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But don't worry everyone, $14M will be the going rate for a utility infield in within 24 months!
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Palka clears waivers, outrighted to AAA.
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Technically this isn't being non-tendered, he is being played on out-right waivers. Basically means no one offered anything for him.
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Just now, Chicago White Sox said:
Did he delete that tweet? Couldn’t find it when I went looking for it.
Yes, 10-15 mins after making it.
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Just now, Orlando said:
I think what was most telling to me was Morosi claiming that Wheeler was still deciding whether to wait out the Cole and Strasburg markets. Doesn’t seem like anything is imminent
Purely personal opinion, but I've found Morosi to be a about the least accurate/connected of all the MLB reports that are widely respected.
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6 minutes ago, Princess Dye said:
This guy has basically gotten nothing right, so hard to take him too seriously. Interesting non-the-less.
Do think he was on the Joc to Sox news last year and may have had good info, based on some of Hahn's comments about that deal getting ruined by twitter rumors.
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2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
Ok not sure I understand if your logic is different on adding Wheeler or Ryu as the 1st pitcher is strictly financial and or need/financial combined . If you need 2 pitchers is the extra $10M+ on another year just you saying an extra $10M+ here and there adds up and you're willing to roll the dice that the difference in talent between someone signing a 2 year contract as opposed to one year is negligible ?
I don't think there is room to add 2 SP on multi-year deals, unless the 2nd add just such a good value you have to it (ie: Ryu 2/$35M or less).
Let's just assume for the sake of this dicussion the Sox sign Wheeler to 5/$100M. In 2021, you rotation options include Gio, Wheeler, Kopech, Rodon, Cease, Lopez, and anything we may get out of the Dunning/Lambert/Flores trio. Basically, we only need 2 SP for 2020, and 1 thereafter. That is why I don't think it makes sense to add 2 SP on multi-year deals, unless like I said, some amazing value falls into your lap.
I think the calculus changes when Ryu becomes your main SP add because you can't really rely on the guy for a full season.
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Just now, soxfan2014 said:
Yep. I liked him as a salary dump, swing man to open the year in the rotation and then shift to pen. Doesn't make sense now if he isn't ready for opening day.
He is a FA, so wouldn't be a salary dump.
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Rich Hill went under the knife today for an elbow surgery considered an alternative to TJS.
Probably can cross him off the list of names that make sense.
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Just now, bmags said:
Yankees seem to think there are players still worth spending money on this year.
Was hoping he would fall to the Sox on waivers. Didn't even make it there.
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50 minutes ago, tray said:
You are right, Benintendi's 20 HR power is 2017 diminished to 13 HR last season so that may be a concern. I like his bat otherwise and his defense, even though he does not have the prototypical RF arm. I don't think the BoSox would require that the WSox eat any salary if they traded a player like McCann (or McCann plus Yolmer) for him. Not sure Bennintendi is worth that, but he is under team control until 2023, which I know the Sox brass would like. Assuming he improves his power numbers a little bit, he could be a solution for RF or LF for several years.
Lol you're proposing McCann and Yolmer for Benintendi?
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30 minutes ago, SonofaRoache said:
We have no way of knowing what was offered. Another club could have offered 3/45 for all we know. I'm pretty sure JR didn't look at another offer of 2/28 and say, I'm just gonna give him 3/50 for the hell of it.
If another club offered 3/$45M, Jose would have been nuts to accept the QO. Which is precisely why handing him $50M a week later was super stupid.
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9 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
Well this is somewhat of a small change of heart on your part . I had suggested this very thing when you and others told me there is no need for 2 multi year guys. i know I've made a few posts about it some with Wheeler and at least one suggesting Ryu and another 2 year type pitcher signing.
If the first guy is Wheeler, I don't think it makes sense to sign another multi-year SP unless something falls into your lap. Ryu on a 2/$32M would definitely qualify as that, though I expect him to beat that deal handily.
If the first guy is Ryu, then yah, I think the Sox should broaden their horizons a bit because I think the 2nd SP added in that scenario needs to be a little stronger than the guys you're likely to get on 1 year deals.
So not as much a change of heart, just a contingency plan if Wheeler gets too expensive, or just decides to sign elsewhere out of personal preference.
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6 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
Yankee tainted ? Hmm Is that really a thing ? Is that because it's the Yankees and the east coast bias that Yankees prospects get hyped a lot more and thus are over rated ? Seems to me the Yankees are pretty good at drafting and developing. Just because there's more press and therefore more written about those prospects doesn't mean they should be considered any better. All it means is they become more well known.
Yes, I don't think there is any doubt that large market team prospects get overvalued. I don't think I am the first person to come up with that theory.
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On 11/22/2019 at 9:31 PM, YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! said:
What’s the point of that? They’d just be creating another hole at 2B while filling the one in RF.
The only way trading Madrigal makes any sense is if you sign Rendon.
In other words, its not going to happen.
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I think its mainly because Rutherford came to the Sox with a (Yankee tainted) pedigree. Former 1st rounder and top 100 prospect. Basabe and Gonzalez both sucked last season, but neither were top 100 prospects at any point. Hard to really read much into Adolfo's 2019 - patience is warranted there.
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1 minute ago, bschmaranz said:
What does everyone think about Pineda as the 2nd option? I keep thinking he'd be a good fit as long as he can stay healthy.
Ehhh, I think he'd be a good fit if he weren't suspended the first month and half when frankly that is when we'd need him most.
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1 minute ago, soxfan2014 said:
How many years do we expect Ryu to receive? Any chance he could take a high AAV (say $25 mill) on a one year deal? I feel he would be able to get a multi-year deal, but if teams are skiddish of his injury history and wants to do another pillow-type deal (there are a lot of SP available after all), I'd do something like that to go along with Wheeler.
Of course, probably a pipe dream though.
Fangraphs projected 2/$32, and MLBTR 3/$54. Both seem pretty damn reasonable to me, but 2/$32M would be such a home run signing IMO.
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1 minute ago, SoxBlanco said:
Good call. I don't expect it to reach Corbin territory either. If it does, who is going to pay him that? Minnesota? I think the Angels are hoping for one of the big two.
Angels are a possibility, yah. They need Cole/Strasburg, plus at least one other above average SP. Their rotation is a mess. I doubt the Twins would go over 5/$100M.
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1 minute ago, SoxBlanco said:
True. And his injury history doesn't scare me as much when we have Kopech and eventually Rodon coming back during the year.
Right, I think it starts to make sense to roll the dice of Ryu if Wheeler starts to approach Corbin territory. Can't say I'd blame the Sox too much for bowing out at that point, though I don't expect it to get there.
I do think if you go the Ryu route, your 2nd SP add needs to be someone a little more interesting. I've felt that the Sox priority needs to be to add 1 high end SP + one 1 year-deal SP. But if Ryu is the guy because Wheeler gets too expensive, maybe you splurge a little bit on that 2nd piece and go with someone like Hamels or Gibson who may require a 2 year deal.
Zack Wheeler Thread
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I don't know though...you could just DFA Yolmer or one of the handful of guys that are highly unlikely to survive the offseason anyway (Zavala, Medeiros, Vieira, Covey, Fulmer) if Wheeler is signed. Don't think this is related, though I do think the timing is strange.