[Rangers might trade lefthanded hitter/outfielder]

38 minutes ago, wsox05 said:

To me there is no way that Mazara makes sense for the White Sox. They have the money to go get anyone they want. Mazara is a below average player that has shown no signs of getting better. The White Sox are looking to win now, if this were another rebuilding year, then I'd understand. But bringing in a below average player and giving him a starting spot doesn't make sense to me. 

Problem is, the FA market doesn't really provide any RF options that are good fits either.  

[Castellanos]

2 hours ago, Jack Parkman said:

I'm not against moving Vaughn and Madrigal. 

If you could make a deal for a long term piece with either as the centerpiece you do it. 

Vaughn - sure.  Not really sure how the Sox can trade Madrigal at this point.  He is a perfect fit for their needs, is MLB ready, is dirt cheap for 3 seasons, and there is a gaping hole at his position.  It makes no sense to trade him.  

[Rangers might trade lefthanded hitter/outfielder]

It all really depends how the rest of the roster shakes out on if Mazara makes any sense or not.  

Sox could do worse than Mazara on a 1 year ~$4.5M deal if the price to acquire him was minimal.  If he sucks, you non-tender him after 2020.  There is still a lot of upside there, and its not like you're taking on a big commitment.  I prefer him to say - Kole Calhoun.  But Mazara definitely isn't in my top 5 choices for RF acquisitions.  Its a shame he isn't a better defender.    

[Potential Deals with Boston]

39 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

No. You sign Moustakas and move Moncada back to 2B. 

No. 

[Potential Deals with Boston]

5 minutes ago, cjgalloway said:

I agree... If the Sox never expect or want to go above 130 million.. And if that's the case, it doesn't matter what they do, they've failed as an organization.. One terrible contract shouldn't kill you.

I think the Sox will go over $130M.  Maybe not in 2020, but they will go over. Its not like the organization has never eclipsed $130M in the past.  

[Potential Deals with Boston]

47 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

Not that I think they'd do it, but I'd do JDM, Sale and Benintendi for Madrigal+fringe prospects. 

I'd probably do Madrigal for Benintendi straight up. 

Then we just need a 2B for the next 7 seasons.  This doesn't really solve anything, just robbing Peter to pay Paul.  

[Potential Deals with Boston]

48 minutes ago, Good Guys said:

I like the idea of a trade with Boston that benefits the White Sox in exchange for helping Boston reduce payroll.  What about Price, Benintendi, and JDM for a package of fringe prospects?  

While a somewhat interesting thought, this would destroy the Sox financial flexibility.  Its also a video game trade that doesn't seem possible in actuality. 

[Edwin Encarnacion - DH]

Just now, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

You’re going to be devastated when the Sox don’t sign Grandal.

I mean, ya I’ll be disappointed. But life goes on. 

[A Realistic Offseason]

2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

I agree. At the very least bring in someone cheap to fill those positions.

What's the point of bringing in the best player on the market if you're not at least taking a stab at filling your other 2 holes. 

I don’t get an I agree from you very often! Special day! 

[A Realistic Offseason]

5 minutes ago, 35thstreetswarm said:

I’ll add to the “would you be happy with...” posts.  Would  you be happy with an off-season consisting of:

Gerrit Cole

...and that’s it?  Wait for in-house options to arrive to fill RF and DH holes or reassess next offseason?  I think I would.

But why? It’s not realistic. Sox have zero legitimate options in RF and DH to play everyday. They have to add at least those two. But would I be happy with say - Cole then say Nova, Encarnacion and Dickerson all one 1 year deals? Ya, sure. It’d be bizarre, but I could get behind it I guess. 

[Castellanos]

2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Sign Grandal, Castellanos, & Wheeler.

This lineup would be significantly better than last year:

1. Anderson, SS
2. Moncada, 3B#
3. Abreu, 1B/DH
4. Jimenez, LF
5. Grandal, C/DH/1B#
6. Castallanos, RF
7. Robert, CF
8. Collins, DH* / McCann, C
9. Madrigal, 2B

Add Amiyama to that, and id be sold. Really need an option so that Castellanos/Abreu can both DH regularly in that scenario. Drop Grandal tho, and I pretty much hate it. 

[Castellanos]

2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

He has a wRC+ of 126 over the past two years.  If you believe that’s the level of hitter he truly is, then he’s a perfectly capable DH.  Also, MLBTR rumors brought up that his defense while still not good in 2019 was significantly better than it was in 2018.  If there’s room for growth, then maybe that changes the calculus a bit.  Honestly, if his price is truly 4/$60M, I’m suddenly far more interested in him, but I’d still pursue Grandal & Wheeler.

Right, I mean if he’s in addition to Grandal and Wheeler and Sox can sign a glove first OF that isn’t a black hole on offense, signed me up for Castellanos all day long. I just don’t see that as it even remotely close to a realistic situation. This all also assumes that Jose Abreu is around.

[A Realistic Offseason]

20 minutes ago, Orlando said:

Castellanos, Encarnacion, MadBum and Kuechel. If this was the free agent haul, would you be happy?

Is Abreu in there too?  Man, the defense on that team would be awful.  I'd give that offseason a C+.  I'd rather see that than basically nothing, but that is nowhere near the route I think is best. 

[Castellanos]

15 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

I know. Me likey if this means Bye Bye Abreu

Don't get me wrong I like Jose, but he's older and they need some LH bats in the lineup. You can't have 8 RH bats in a lineup

 

I don't see how anyone could realistically think Abreu is going anywhere.  He is 99.9% taking the QO, and if he is so confident in his FA stock that he rejects it, he'd only be doing the Sox a giant favor and himself a giant disservice, because he'd end up back on the Sox on like a 1/$10M deal later in the offseason.  

[Castellanos]

33 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

If Avi could stay healthy he would probably still be in Chicago 

Well, he'd be a FA.  

[Castellanos]

Castellanos gets a big meh from me.  If he gets cheap enough (2/$30M or 3/$45 type deal), he starts to make a little sense.  But he's not a RF, and a career 112 wRC+ DH is pretty underwhelming, especially if you're paying him a lot.  And then he hits with the wrong hand.

Sox need good hitters, and Castellanos I guess fits the bill.  I would need to reserve judgement to see how the rest of the roster shakes out if the Sox signed him.  On paper, I think he's a pretty poor fit.  

[Edwin Encarnacion - DH]

3 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

Hells no.  They're not at the point where they should be signing 30+ year old fill ins.  This is an off season to add core impact players.  Sign the veteran lighning in a bottle help get you over the top guys next off season.  

You can't expect them to fill all the holes with long term core players.  I don't really WANT EE, but he's a decent fall back option if the Sox can't get Grandal to sign the dotted line, or if Abreu leaves. 

[Edwin Encarnacion - DH]

Yah, I think its a natural fit if they miss out on Grandal.

Or, in a less likely scenario, Abreu rejects QO and signs elsewhere.

EE is going to be cheap. He has legitimately no suitors.  On a 1 year deal with a team option (similar to deal Nelson Cruz got from Twins last offseason), seems like a decent backup plan. 

[Angels decline $14 million option on Kole Calhoun]

1 hour ago, oldsox said:

I can't overlook the fact that Palka is still on the team.  You know they are considering him for platoon RF.

Palka will be off the 40 man before the new year.  

[Sox issue qualifying offer to Abreu]

14 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

If he accepts the Qualifying offer he receives a 1 year, $18 million deal. There is no reason for either side to continue negotiating, that's a contract offer. 

While it is not going to happen (but theoretically possible), I think he's basically saying Abreu takes the QO, then the Sox and Abreu rip up the one year deal later in the offseason and he signs a 2 year $30M extension.  

[A Realistic Offseason]

3 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

I completely agree. The only thing I wouldn’t mind is Castellanos. This is what I posted in another thread about him...

I like the idea of Castellanos because we can sign him for 3 or 4 years, but he could still fit the one year stopgap idea for RF. Let him play RF next year, and then he can move to DH in 2021. This is assuming Vaughn is ready and Jose just signs a 1 year deal.

Then we could still shop for a RF next offseason with guys like Betts (long shot) or Pederson. Or we can hope one of our five OF prospects will be ready in 2021 or 2022. 

I’m liking the idea of Castellanos more and more now that JDM isn’t in the mix for DH over the next few years. 

I don’t want the worst defensive OF in the game, and Castellanos is pretty underwhelming as a DH if the plan is to move him there. If the rest of the moves are home runs or he gets really cheap, I’d be ok with Castellanos. But he’s just a really poor fit IMO. 

[A Realistic Offseason]

5 minutes ago, BackDoorBreach said:

Thats light on pitching and Dickerson is a non-starter for me personally.

Ryu is too big of a health risk to give anything more than a 2 year deal imo. He's awesome when he's on the mound, he just isn't very often.

I personally think Ryu is a great fit. Ya, he’s an injury risk. That’s why he isn’t going to get a monster deal. He’s reallY fucking good when he pitches, and with Kopech and Rodon arriving at some point, and perhaps Dunning as well, it’s not the end of the world if he misses some starts later in the year. I would prefer Wheeler or the aces, but Ryu is a very nice fit. 
 

Dickerson does very little for me. But I’d prefer him to fitting a square peg in a round hole with long term commitments to Castellanos/Puig/Ozuna. As I’ve said, I do expect RF to be solved via trade anyway. 

[A Realistic Offseason]

29 minutes ago, steveno89 said:

If this offseason amounts to: Keuchel as the marquee signing, Encarnacion, Abreu, Calhoun/Puig and a pen arm I would be pretty damn upset, yes. 

That will not help us move all that much closer to contention. We need premier talent in this club, not just stopgaps on reasonable deals. 

Would you be mad about Grandal (4/70) Abreu (1/17.8), Ryu (3/50), Smyly (1/7), and Dickerson (1/10)? 

[A Realistic Offseason]

23 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

I found a picture of @Chicago White Sox and @Look at Ray Ray Run

 

But seriously people, let's just let the offseason play out, and we can b**** or be excited in February when Pitchers and Catchers are reporting. 

I'm being a bit of a Pessimistic Peter because I don't want to be disappointed yet again. Really, though, just let it play out. 

Feel free to take a hiatus until then.  The quality of the board would improve drastically. 

[A Realistic Offseason]

29 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

I think their internal budget is around ~130M and I don't expect them to exceed that over the next 5 seasons. It's kind of why I don't think they're going to add much, because in a year or two they're going to reach that easily just with Moncada/Gio arbitration. They're going to try to piece things together like they did in 2015-16 with short term deals. (1-2 years) 

LOL.  They legitimately rebuild to avoid doing this very thing.

You're just ignoring what is clearly in front of your eyes because it fits your narrative, and you love being negative.