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    JR Speaks (gasp!)...

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    3 hours ago, Tony said:

    ”There were a lot of scouts that were let go by organizations that are analytics driven…and we ought to take a look if there are some gems out there we can add to our staff”

    Wait ... the scouts are analytics driven, or the organization that let them go are analytics driven? I hope it's the former, but I fear it's the latter. 

    Sox place Clevinger on waivers

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    19 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

    Clevinger will absolutely decline his side of the option and become a free agent. He gets $4 million with the buyout anyway. There's no reason to lock in for $8 million. He can get more than $4 million on the market. 

    Next year is a mutual option for $12 million with a $4 million dollar buy out. So he would have to get more than $8 million on the open market. I still think he can do that.

    Fire Chris Getz

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    On 8/24/2023 at 7:19 AM, Timmy U said:

    Are going to have to replace the “Fire Rick Hahn” thread with one titled “Die, Jerry, Die”?

    You can always tell people it's german for "The Jerry, the".

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    Sox marketing of Vaughn lately

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted · Edited by skooch

    10 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:

    Len says the Sox are 0-10 when Sox pitchers strikeout 14 or more hitters, will be 0-11 without a comeback.

    Four of these games were extra innings.

    Meanwhile,  the rest of the league is 125-50 (0.714) when striking out 14+.

    Also,  17Ks last night amounts to almost 2/3 of the entire game without any contact.  And yet they lose 7-1. 

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    Burger To Marlins

    in The Diamond Club

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    24 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

    I will say, they should give Eloy a 1B mit and have him work on that in the off-season. He wants to play in the field? It’s 1B or bust at this point.

    You want Mr. Glass stretching to dig balls out of the dirt at 1B? Nope. It's catcher or bust. 

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    White Sox still one of just seven teams to see attendance falls

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/cincinnati-reds-attendance-26-percent-211525459.html

    This was through mid June, so the numbers might have slightly improved over the summer, but the tv/radio broadcasting numbers must be so abysmal they're not even being released...

     

    "When you take a deeper dive into the numbers, it gets worse. According to Baseball Reference, at this point last year the White Sox had 156,000 more fans in attendance. This is the biggest difference in the major leagues by a wide margin.

    The next worst team is only at 77,000 fewer fans than they did last year. The White Sox have almost doubled that number. For a “contending” team in one of the biggest markets in the US, that is extremely embarrassing. Even when other Chicago teams struggle, they are at the top of the league in attendance. Now, there are two baseball teams in Chicago, but they should still not be at the bottom of the league.

    If you look at it on a per-game basis, the White Sox are again the worst in the league. Per game, they have lost about 4,000 fans. That is a big loss for the White Sox, especially if you consider how many concessions those 4,000 could have bought.

    Again, that is double the next closest team, as they have only lost about 2,000 per game. They are behind teams like Colorado, San Fransico, and Detroit. Even Kansas City, one of the worst teams in the league, has gained more fans from last year."

    And the attendance losses will probably only accelerate with the sell-off and ensuing shitshow of baseball in the second half.  Assuming they lose 250k total in attendance at $60-70/ person (parking,  tickets+ concessions) equals 15-20 million less in revenue for Shoeless Jerry. TV deal or not,  that's going to leave a mark. 

    Sox v Braves @ 6:20 GAME THREAD

    in 2023 Season in Review

    Posted · Edited by skooch

    32 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said:

    This could be one ugly weekend.

    Didn't the Braves get swept by the A's?

    In fact, if I recall correctly, there are exactly three teams that have a losing record in Oakland. The A's, the Braves, and the White Sox.

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    Trading One Year Assets is Inevitable. Maybe even 2-yr

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

    Because the White Sox problem with trades like that is they can’t replace guys!

    The Rays traded away Joe Ryan and he became a solid player. Are the Rays starved for starting pitching right now? Their starters have the 4th best WAR and 2nd best ERA in baseball. They can make trades they lose because they can replace guys.

    The White Sox traded Madrigal. He’s not anything special, but could the white Sox replace him? They’ve spent $20 million on Andrus and Garcia and rushed Sosa and Rodriguez up from AA to try to fill that hole since, and something tells me they’re not at the top of baseball in 2b production.

    The White Sox traded Dunning and y’all got to brag because Rick Hahn got a good player back. Have they replaced him? The Sox are so starved for affordable starting pitching that Toussaint is pitching today. Had they developed Crochet and Kopech into solid starters and found another one in 2019 or 2020 this wouldn’t matter, but the fact that they can’t develop anyone creates giant holes.

    They traded Narvaez for Colome. Colome was fine, but they had no catchers so they spent $70 million on Grandal, on top of Colome’s price. This is how it cascades - they can’t develop anyone, so when they trade guys away they have to find free agents to replace them, but they run out of money after just a handful of signings so they wind up hunting from the trash heap.

    Truth.

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    Trading One Year Assets is Inevitable. Maybe even 2-yr

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    17 minutes ago, flavum said:

    His six were Giolito, Clevinger, Lynn, Bummer, Graveman, and Kelly

    That's half of the entire pitching staff.  Given what might be expected in return,  that's going to make for one brutally bad second half.  For a team on pace to lose 93 games already, that has absolutely no pitching depth in the minors, 100+ losses would practically be a lock. 

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    5/31/2023 - Angels @ Sox (retroactive gamethread)

    in 2023 Season in Review

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    29 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said:

    Since the leagues have gone to a balanced schedule there is no reason for divisions. MLS figured it out.
     

     

    Well, the schedules are less "balanced" than they are "more balanced". You play 13 against your division rather than 19, but you still only play everyone else in the league 7 times, and everyone else in the other league 3 times (except for your designated rival whom you play 4 times)

    Your 2023 Off-Season Plan

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, chw42 said:

    Re-sign Elvis Andrus to a 1 year $5 million deal with a team option ($1 million buyout) for 2024 to play 2B. Andrus won't hit like he has so far with the Sox over the course of a whole season, but he's a smart player and actually does the little things well. Something you need on a winning team and something this team lacks quite a lot of. I'm also not convinced the options the Sox have in-house (Romy, Sosa, Yolbert) aren't gonna be a roulette wheel of strikeouts. 

    Elvis made 14.25 million this year from Oakland. I understand that he won't be getting anything close to that from anyone next year, but is 5 million a realistic number?

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