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  1. So this one is a bit in the eye of the beholder ... if you just go on results you might quickly say Rodon or Lynn. You might say Abreu. That said, I think it's deeper than that. Without Eloy and Robert we had no DH and no LF going into the year. Where would this team be without that amazing April by Yermin? How about Rodon? With him as our #5 coming into the season I'd guess we were all expecting 15-20 starts of 4.50ERA ball. It's hard to imagine where we are without him. Lynn? He might win the Cy Young, but the expectations were higher. Personally I'd say Rodon was more important to this team. Same with Abreu - it's so consistent it's almost boring, but he puts up numbers. The bench squad? Nothing about Billy Hamilton is sexy, but it's hard to argue the importance of those guys throughout the whole season. Lopez is a late entry. He didn't really come in at a time when wins mattered as much, but he's handled himself quite well. So it's a bit objective of how you look at this team. Will be interested to see the results. my personal order ... and thought process, if you take that guy away, who was the most important to our current success? I'd go: Rodon Anderson Abreu Yermin Lynn Bench Mob
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    Quick Hit, would you take a vaccine?

    hey balta ... BOO! It's almost as if i'm not anti vaccine ... and have the vaccine ... and am pro vaccine ... and yet, can question things. isn't that something. i literally started this thread a year ago and was pro vax then, still am.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    manufacturing issues MONTHS ago. Wouldn't you think in a world we live in today, with the importance of Covid not only in the USA, but in the world, that maybe over two months they could get things ramped up somewhere? wouldn't that be operation warp speed at the max? wouldn't you think J&J with billions on the line here, along with unmeasurable PR at risk would want to have their vaccine being produced? they'd find every way possible. I read your articles, i read your posts, i digested them. throwing insults my way doesn't make you a smarter person, it makes you come off as an ass.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    also it could be as simple as something really strange where you have to call and book j&j vaccine? i dunno. it's just not an option online currently. maybe they are available as it says on the vaccine.gov website, i'd hope that the website is tracking correctly. odds are probably it does track correctly. but i don't understand why they'd make it so tough to obtain a vaccine, or why'd they'd push the 2 shot, mrna version rather than the more prototypical, historical vaccine. because it doesn't protect as well against delta? no booster? there's likely a reason that makes sense. it's more about the odd coverup than it is about the vaccine. which you don't seem to grasp.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    Not conspiracy. I'm just not so far on one "team" that i don't question things. And ... like I said ... it's not. You find me an appointment. Have you actually clicked on the websites for Osco, Walgreens, Target and went to make a selection? You can click on the CVS website and it'll show "available" too, but as discussed above, it's very clear they don't carry it anymore. Like, i can click on CVS in Woodridge right now it shows updated 7 hours ago that J&J is available. It's not. Because they don't carry it. So why say they do? That's not a conspiracy, that's a normal question. I am using vaccines.gov .... the government website. Wouldn't you say that's misleading that they are showing it available when it's not? Then try Albertson's/Osco. 50 mile radius of Downers Grove ... zero hits. None available. Do it with Walgreens. You'll end up empty handed. Sorry that you think I'm attacking vaccines or something. I'm saying it's weird that it disappeared silently.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    I would venture to guess there are teams of PR people, doctors, politicians, etc. at the White House that crafted that six step plan which included pushing the mandates onto private sector. Just like any meeting I'm sure there were many options discussed and think they chose this option because it's a solution where they can get the most people vaccinated without having to take the full heat. Which is a bad way to make a decision in my opinion.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    Not sure why you're getting so worked up here. Yes, they had multiple articles on CVS not carrying it. Yes there were the stories published when they had the issues in manufacturing back in early Summer, etc. Are you telling me that you knew you can't go to Target, Walgreens, Osco, etc and get J&J? You don't have to defend the religion of Covid and vaccines at all costs ... try and find an article where Walgreens or Target isn't administering J&J .... Ask 100 people if they think they can get the J&J shot and what ...95? are going to say it's available? I certainly thought it was still out there. Seeing as you went to Targets website to show me that i was wrong ... means you thought they did too. But that's not actually the case and it seems off to me. That's all. it could be simply supply and demand. likely is. but it's not crazy to question these things out loud.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    can't really paint with broad strokes, and i clearly did. which is wrong. but i do think reading this board on this topic it does fall back to the same talking points of generally vax = good, unvax = bad and very black and white. which is very frustrating. vax people seem to have this idea that if all 100% of the US was vaxxed that our lives would just be 100% normal. and i just disagree based on science and math. delta variants, among other future variants will always find their way into the US. some are going to be stronger and some are going to side step vaccines and causes issues. and while i think people should be vaxxed, i also think completely ignoring natural immunity is wild. we don't know the science on natural immunity, but there are clearly hundreds of years of data on other viruses where natural immunity has a good track record and would suspect this would be the same. Life is going to be the vaccine and then boosters on a 6-12 month rolling period until this is lessened. however i'd venture we are in an endemic. you're not going to knock this thing off in india and africa and across the globe. so it will always be mutating and coming back to the US. Some years will be nothing, and then others will be a bad "flu" season where we all should get boosters. I'll check out the 9/11 thing over the next few days/week. I'll be at the game today, so won't have time to watch today. i know my company ... which is HUGE, already sent out their HR response. I was surprised, considering how big we are of the tone of the email. Basic talking points were this poses more questions than answers, would be complicated and said they'd "encourage" us to get vaxxed and to talk to our doctors to see if it was right for us. aka, i dont think they're going to require it, but may give a nice, "gentle" push. my problem is you likely have a table of aids talking about how they can mandate the vaccine without having to do it themselves. Why? because they're worried on how that looks on them during the next election. leaders shouldn't be self-serving. leadership is about doing things for the betterment of your team or people at the expense of yourself. like when someone on my team screws up, even if it was all them, i step in, i take accountability with the client and say this happened under my watch, and its my fault. then you teach your team how to do better. in this case, i dont think that's what is happening. I could be wrong, but that's at least how i'm viewing this pushdown onto the private sector. no real answer there. not sure. but can't see forcing a subset of people who have clearly resisted every opportunity going very well socially.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    okay, did you try and click on that target website .... like i said, they SAY it's available, but if you try and schedule a j&J vaccine, its not an option. i just went on target's website, no option for J&J anywhere near downers grove... i scrolled until they wouldn't offer any more options of target locations... not one had J&J. Same thing if you go to the national website to coordinate these vax. they'll say j&J is available at every single osco ... then you go and click, and no option for J&J. same for walgreens, same for every single pharmacy. And also, yes, that's the article i referenced. one article. you don't think that's weird? in a pandemic that consumes the every waking minute of our lives? That ONE of the THREE options of vaccines that are being mandated on a 350mm person population has been taken away? they talk about horse dewormer like 5 times a day, but not that J&J isn't available? I don't know how many times i have to say this, but im vaccinated ... this isn't a "this is a government conspiracy" post. it's a ... uh, why arent they offering J&J and why has there been an effort to keep that so quiet? Like i said, you'll hear about every single other story 10X a day, but this one? One article a month ago about CVS ... other than that ... nada. If i had to take a guess? J&J doesn't have a booster ready or approved and with the variants, they're gonna need boosters. Between that and the early blood clots and complications that demand went down significantly when it was brought back, so instead of stocking them, they just let them run out and didnt order additional rounds... But of course "crazy brian anderson" bringing up anything that questions anything is considered an attack on health!!
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    Who is the MVP of this season

    Ya, it's tough argue that he hasn't been the glue through it all. I chose Rodon, but that's in part against expectations and how much he has helped this team against our normal #5 starter we've become accustom to over the past 20 years.
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    Who is the MVP of this season

    Sorry to offend you so much with a poll. Hope you can push through and have a great weekend ... Feel free to write your vote in. I'll make sure to count it into the imaginary soxtalk votes that are registered to the fake mvp award that is (not) awarded to any player in the end.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    anybody find it odd that Johnson and Johnson vaccines cannot be found anywhere ... like that's not an option anymore. Some websites will start off saying it is an option, but then only let you choose Moderna or Pfizer. However CVS dropped it entirely. CVS, Walgreens, Albertsons (Osco) etc. .... nothing. not an option. That was done very quietly ... Seems odd to me that this is such a quiet story, that the sites will say they're available and they've updated their websites, but then don't allow you to pick J&J? Maybe you have to specifically call and request? I'm not sure.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    I'd handle it with no mandates. no governmental vaccine passports. if individual businesses wnat to do that, that's their rights. i dont think it's smart to lead a majority for a minority problem. cant have the tail wag the dog. yes it's sad. but the most immune compromised have a solution. if they dont believe in the efficacy of the vaccines then they have to make decisions. But to hold back the majority of people for a minority of people who have a solution? doesn't add up. cost benefit analysis isnt there. I'd tell the truth. I wouldn't start a smear campaign against every other possible remedy in the name of the vaccine. I'd promote actual health initiatives. we didn't have a vaccine for almost a year and we spent a ridiculous amount of money on commercials and bullshit. did they tell anybody to get up and move around? or highlight processed foods and their effect on heart disease and your immune system if you get covid? I workout 6 days a week, do you think my risk of complications from covid are the same as a 300lb person? just like hospitals ... you can build out extra facilities like they did in chicago the first wave. they know the hotspots, they have the testing, they can tell where the next zones may be .... but they don't build out facilities? why? because covid doesn't pay well. elective surgeries do. hospitals run thin because they're a business. empty beds hurt margins. so do covid beds. so of course they're going to go on a campaign about not having beds. there are solutions, but they don't want them. if you have 20 beds for normal services, and then a pandemic hits, of course they're going to be overrun. they didn't have excess space. You can't lead with lies and you cant treat society as a nanny state/child. You don't get a healthy society that way. You get a reliant society. reliant on air dropped money. reliant on government to save them. I think they think they're doing it to protect people, but what a mess of a way to do it. How asinine is it to think that your safety against this is ONLY vaccine based. I think the people in the military are ridiculous. it can be good for individuals no doubt. i think it's disgusting that they come into schools and recruit literal kids to go fight for things they can't even begin to comprehend or reason about. But i also think it says something that there's this pushback .... 100,000,000 people can't be without a point. how many times do 100,000,000 people agree on a topic? it might make sense to listen why little johnny is willing to go fight a pointless war in the middle east but doesn't want a vaccine. his points may be hollow, but you may want to listen.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    yah republicans are ridiculous. they fall in line behind politics and religion. they're all a mask. most people cant defend their positions and most are hollow and fed to them by the team they want to be on. democrats are not all that different either. I'd probably say i lean more democrat, but i think they're lost in their policies of trying to help the ones who need it the most. the flip side? I'm full of shit too. i have contradictions. we all do. I try to limit them. overall i'm for letting people live their lives. i think an overreach like this, or like the news today that the government is going to mandate employers with over 100 employees that they have to have their people vaccinated, or tested weekly, or take a $14k fine per week? Really? Imagine owning a family business that you grew and now you have to pass that along and deal with all that comes from it. Why? because the government is full of a bunch of pussies that instead of mandating it themselves, push it onto someone else to mandate, and then fine them if they dont. it's a b**** move. This type of move is asinine at best. Forcing 100,000,000 americans to take a vaccine won't end well. Everybody has had more than opportunity, more than enough shaming to make their decision. those 100mm? good luck. (side note, big pharma is gonna love this ... as long as they can continue to sell covid, they have a risk free annuity of boosters every year, go grab that stock) I still go back to this is all for Covid .... for Covid! Imagine a disease that comes along that is more powerful. that is more deadly. Imagine what they're going to do to in the name of "global warming". it's all framing and i think this opens a big can of worms towards a very dangerous path. and not to change subject, that's not anti global warming ... i think it's a bunch of contradictions. they create a hamster wheel economy of cheap money and go, go, go which leads to more and more consumption which drives more and more pollution all in the name of trying to keep the throne of the top power. Fix the money, fix the problems. i think that nuclear is a very safe, cheap, effective clean energy source that has been tossed aside. I think that renewables while good, are not necessarily reliable (see germany). they are going to lead very expensive, unreliable energy into the future and those who will end up paying the most? The bottom half again? they throw away to the side the mining needed to make these solar panels. They for sure ignore the labor used to dig up these components, etc. We all need energy, but when prices go up, the bottom half will get hit hardest again. The ideas? I have no problem with, the execution? i do have a problem with. vaccines are good. there's no doubt they're helpful, but acting like they're the end all be all is questionable at best.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    a - not a republican b - not a democrat c - maybe you should stop type casting people c - they're both full of shit d - free healthcare for all. healthcare is a right! but only if you're vaccinated. if not vaccinated then you can rot and die, don't take my hospital beds. Was that supposed to be in green? My body, my choice. But vaccines should be mandated. forced. e - like i said, both sides are full of shit. the hypocrisy runs deep not just politically but across the board individually. people will do anything to justify their sides. I am not tribal to any team. I am an independent thinker. this whole thing is a lot more grey than black or white. This board is a big echo chamber of people who don't care to think and just parrot speaking points they hear on TV without applying critical thinking to the process. Guess what? Covid can be a bad terrible thing, and also overblown. You can care about people, but also understand cost benefit analysis of a small minority of mostly immune compromised, aged people dying against the response, which will have lasting, long-term effects on this generation and future generations. It doesn't make you heartless, it makes you reasoned. Want to rock your mind. I am pro choice, I think a whole shit load of guns should be banned. I am pro do whatever the hell you want to do in your personal life. Pretend you're a cat if you want. Dress up and wear ears and drink milk from a bowl, I don't give a shit. Just don't come looking for handouts. Take personal accountability for your actions. take a vaccine, don't take a vaccine. Whatever. I am for the government staying the hell out of my business. I am pro-police, anti war. I think we shouldn't be in nearly as many peoples business across the globe. I'll go as far as to say if we weren't from the USA we'd all hate us. We go around bullying the world trying to make them into us. I think we're full of lazy, fat, biggoted, entitled, undereducated assholes. I'd bring in immigrants by the boat load. they're hungry, accountable and drive new ideas, culture and business. I am anti religion - it's another layer to hide behind to justify and make people feel better about themselves. but go for hte gold if you want to apply religion as your purpose in life, not my business to get involved in. In fact, the whole world would be a lot better if we just taught all religions and beliefs. St. Pats in the West Loop does this. Teach the background of these religions and the history. It's about understanding. Go worship the God, the sun, or the White sox. I don't really care, it's not for me, but can be for you if you want. I think that big banks and money are the ultimate evil. Money rots the world. People think we were in Afghanistan to try and bring democracy? child please. We're there about oil and poppy fields. They serve up distractions and we eat them with fries. I think that private equity, consolidation and cheap money is rotting the very root of what is good. It's taking away jobs, its funneling money to a few, and leaving the world worse off. I think cheap goods from china are a trojan horse. They're doing it right. we're off fighting 20 year pointless wars, they're over there building roads and hospitals in africa and the middle east in order to have rights and control to rare earth minerals and metals. i think donald trump is an evil egotisitcal old man who is not only corrupt, but possibly the worst person to run a coutntry. god help us if he runs and wins again. i think joe biden is also an ego maniac who has had his best days behind him. i was an andrew yang guy. money should be going back to the poorest. new ideas. UBI, new police training, etc. I think covid, when compared to the possible steps towards some sort of totalitarian society is not worth it. That's not crazy, look at Australia. The endless money printing is going to further divide this country. take youre $1,400 checks and think you're getting something. reality is that was all pissed away in one year of inflation. now everything costs more and the people at the bottom make less. homes are less affordable for a whole subset of people. food is more expensive. We're creating a class society and all in the name of covid. Nothing good comes from divide. I am anti big Pharma. I am anti big corporations. the fact that this board has a 2 year running thread on covid, but nobody fucking cares about opioids, the obese culture we live in, the poor education system, the ridiculous college tuitions, etc. is insane. if people put as much time into those topics we'd be much better off. But unfortunately that's not the case. it's always boiled down to simplicity. simple points for simple people. RED. BLUE. CUBS. SOX. VACCINATED. UNVACCINATED. GOOD. BAD. im sure the next response to this will just be highlighting and picking this apart, that's what this board is about. picking people apart. I say lets do rapid testing or about natural immunity ... and all of a sudden that's controversial. guess what guys? I'm on your team. i'm vaccinated. im just not a sheep. Posted in the Washington Post yesterday. So you either are going to trust a study of "hundreds" or "tens of thousands". I'm sure when this data comes out though that it will be swept under the rug. It doesn't fit the narrative. the article is pretty meh. doesn't offer much in the way of details ... so we'll see what it actually says when it's released. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/vaccines-versus-covid-19-the-great-immunity-debate/2021/09/07/b55f2aca-0fe4-11ec-baca-86b144fc8a2d_story.html While not officially published, a scientific paper announcing the new data has impressed the medical community because it’s based on a study of tens of thousands of people conducted this summer when the delta variant was dominant, and because the researchers measured what matters most: whether people got sick or were hospitalized, not just whether their antibodies changed or some tiny amount of virus was detected in their noses. The new findings might force a rethinking of the current U.S. policy of recommending full vaccination to people who’ve already had a documented case of Covid-19. And, while it still makes sense to encourage anyone who hasn’t had the virus to get the shots, doctors might want to reconsider whether the Moderna version would be a better bet. Several studies, including one out of the Mayo Clinic, show it might offer more durable protection against the delta variant. oh, and again, i'm vaccinated. figure that one out. pro-vaccination, but considering other angles ... weird isn't it? welcome to my tribe, population ONE.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    "hate our enemies" aka discriminate against any brown people on our soil ..... smh We just spent 20 years on a fake mission spending $300,000,000 a day for 20 years. That whole was was about inputs without outputs.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    That's a bit too conspiracy. It's pretty simple if you ask me. It's not about the vaccine at all. It's not about the science of a vaccine. It's about being anti-government, anti-mandate, pro choice to make your own decisions, and that the messaging continues to shift. "two weeks to flatten the curve" "non-essential businesses must shut down to help" (meanwhile every corporation was okay to stay open) "the vaccine will set you free" "now you need a booster to enjoy your freedoms" :"here is our six step plan to eradicate a virus" (that can't be eradicated) Or how yesterday you have the economic counsel yesterday say that food inflation isn't really all that bad. it's actually normal if you just take out the pork, beef, and chicken prices ... yah okay, cause nobody eats those. basically? who trusts the government? so this is an opportunity to make their voice heard. Or how they skirt the actual science while touting science. if you want to go to hawaii? a saints game, a blackhawks game? etc. etc. you have to either be vaccinated or show negative test. how does that actually make sense? the real science would be a negative test to get in... you can produce these rapid tests for pennies. we spent trillions on a response, but can't spend the pennies to make these rapid tests available to the masses? the vaccine HELPS reduce spread. it's not fool proof. hell, the immunity is rolling off ... someone who contracted covid in the past 3 months has more immunity and protection against the spread than a vaccinated person. But that doesn't fit the "us v them" model that needs to be created. so theres a whole set of people who are creating this "vaccinated v unvaccinated" story line. in general republicans are going to lean towards individual freedoms and rights and choices. i dont think a lot of those people are thinking of this as "i dont believe science" - more I'm not going to listen to the government. It's a lot of people who are frankly fed up with the government and this is their symbolic stand that they aren't going to take it. Or at least its how i view it.
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    What Should They Do with AV?

    You do nothing. You use your 1,000 years of managing experience with cases similar to this and try to snap him out of it. He's a rookie and been a key part to this team. He hasn't been ideal with RISP, but this is not the time to make any changes. If he still can't get a hit with RISP and its now October? Then bring in a pinch hitter if it's necessary.
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    9/8 🧦 v. 🐘 GT

    DALLAS FREAKING KEUCHEL DAY! LFG! 9 INNING CG, SHUTOUT HERE WE COME!
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    Adam Engel starts rehab assignment

    this is great news. i feel like we're a totally different team defensively, and frankly offensively with a healthy engel.
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    Worried about the playoff rotation?

    Nope, I am not. Why? Because every team can have this discussion ... Boston is going to have to roll out a shaky ERod and then either Houck or Pivetta Houston will have to roll out a 3rd and 4th starter of Urquidy, Luis Garcia (w IP limitations that have been already passed), or Odorizzi. Yankees will have what? Kluber, Taillon, J. Montgomery? Not exactly murderers row behind Cole. Oakland? They're taped together right now with Irvin falling apart. Montas and Manaea are bi-polar. Go through unhittable stretches and then pain. Seattle makes it? Good luck after Marco Gonzalez ... flexen, kikuchi and his 6era post ASB, logan gilbert with a rookie arm that's been slowing down? Tampa - the best team right? Well, last i check they keep rolling out Yarbs, Wacha, Archer, etc. Patino and McClanahan are two fireballer rookie arms, but still TBD how that holds up in playoffs. So no, I'm not concerned with a team that has Cease, Rodon, Lynn and Giolito. We have the horses, even if currently scraped up and bruised to keep us in the hunt regardless.
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    2000 White Sox

    Okay. Cool. So will every team except for one. Also, wasting time on people like you never is worth it. People like to bring others down with them. Social vampires. I'll enjoy this team, the full ballparks, the excitement, the Pennant race, playoff baseball, another season of Jose Abreu, the resurgence of Rodon, Robert looking like a star, etc. You on the other hand can continue to cheer against the team, all while surrounding yourself with a White Sox message board to make sure you can't get away from your misery.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    simply put, yes. this. the other hardest part is trying to decipher what we are chasing as a society .... zero transmission? zero deaths? zero deaths that are preventable? we don't have a clear goal, so then it gets jumbled and complicated.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    oh definitely. desantis is just as, if not more guilty than 98% of the news out there. he's playing theatre too. all it's pick and choose. it's actually a lot like a conversation on this board to be honest ... it's picking out statistics the protect a narrative in order to make one feel better about their choices and decisions. its like ss2k saying "well i guess you don't care about human life" it's blanket statements with no truth it. everybody is a hypocrite in some right. the key is to try not to be a hypocrite all the time. You can do it for any topic ... the same people who talk about the environment drive an suv and live in a 4,000 sq house, buying useless clothes, take long showers, jump on a plane to their vacations, etc. everybody is full of shit in life, the key is to not be less full of shit.
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    COVID Thread Part Deux

    hand up you are right here. i was looking at the chart on figure one which notes "of the 58% of people who have received one dose" and then breaks out by race. In that one the highest is hispanic is 17%. However that is using a denominator of just vaccinated individuals, not subsets of each race. which in this case, theres a shit ton of white people in this country, so that's not a great graph. figure 3 is the correct graph i should've been referencing. asians at 67%, hispanic 45% and black 40%. White is 50%. Much more even . I wouldn't use a base word of "propaganda" there, but to each their own. i was wrong in my graph reading.
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