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He had 214 wins and retired at age 36. He would have had to average 13 wins/season until he was 43 (in 2022) to get to 300.

Have you familiarized yourself with the Chicago White Sox American League Baseball Team?

I agree with this in a lot of situations, but not the one the Sox were in on Tuesday. Doesn't make sense to intentionally walk the #9 hitter to bring up the leadoff hitter. If the Sox hadn't thrown the ball away, and Taylor just ended up with a sac bunt so the Twins had a runner on 3rd with one out, then I think you would consider walking both Solano and Buxton to load the bases and pitch to Larnach with a double play as a possibility.

Oh my goodness no. The 2006 team would win 9 out of 10 games against this team. They won 90 games. They had 4 players who hit 30+ home runs. There were 7 players on that team that hit more HR than the current team leaders have this year. (Abreu/Sheets at 14.) In the end, Buehrle and Contreras just ran out of gas after a lot of innings over 2 seasons, and the bullpen just wasn't as good as they were in 2005, especially Cotts and Politte. It was disappointing that they ended up missing the playoffs back when there was only 1 wild card, but that team was a million more times fun to watch than this year's team.

I was thinking this is the worst, most embarrassing loss since Beckham dropped the pop up in the middle of the infield in the 9th against the Mets in 2013. But then I remembered the Sox actually came back and won that game. So we are talking pre-2013.

That's fine, and I think we are pretty much saying the same thing. The OP called players like Robert, Jimenez, Moncada, and Vaughn second-tier players, and compared them to Johnson, Quentin, Dye, and Durham. I'm just saying that if we are using your standard that Johnson, Quentin, Dye, and Durham are second-tier players, then Robert is a third-tier player, and Jimenez, Moncada, and Vaughn are fourth-tier players. There is no comparison between those groups.

The standard doesn't need to be: "The White Sox need more future Hall of Famers." It needs to be "The White Sox should have more than 2 position players that are better than AAAA replacements." If this team had an OF of Carlos Quentin, Lance Johnson, and Jermaine Dye, and had Ray Durham at 2B, they would be leading the division by 10 games. Those were all great players. Not "second-tier" caliber guys.

I understand what you are saying and agree with most of your post, but I think you are drastically undervaluing the players you have mentioned. Eloy is 25 and has regressed every year since his rookie season when he had a 1.5 WAR. At age 25, Carlos Quentin had a 5.3 WAR, an OPS of .965, and would have been the MVP if he hadn't stupidly broke his hand. He was the main reason the Sox won the division that year. Jermaine Dye was the freaking World Series MVP and had an OPS of 1.006 in 2006. He had a 4.6 WAR in his age 32 season, which is more than Eloy has put up for his entire career. Lance Johnson was soooo underrated. (And unlike almost all of the current Sox players, so much fun to watch.) He had a 6.1 WAR for the Sox when they won the division in 1993, and then a 7.2 WAR season for the Mets in 1996. Ray Durham is the 2nd or 3rd best 2B the White Sox have had in 122 years of existence. He had 12 years in his career with an OPS of +.800. My point is, all of those guys you mentioned WERE stars, and don't deserve to be compared to Jimenez, Robert, Moncada, or Vaughn.

I was 11 years old and sitting in the 3rd row of the upper deck right in front of where this happened. I saw the whole thing.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Apr 28, 2017 -> 10:04 PM) It's July 31st, 2017. The Chicago White Sox are 6 games over .500, 1.5 games behind the Cleveland Indians, and in 2nd place in the AL Central. Avisail Garcia is hitting .325, Matt Davidson has 18 home runs, Rodon has a sub-3 ERA, and the bullpen remains dominant. Yoan Moncada and Lucas Giolito have had strong showings since their early June call-ups. Nevertheless, the Sox swing trades for Dan Jennings, David Robertson, Melky Cabrera, Todd Frazier, and Nate Jones. -------------------------------------------------- Even though that was mostly sarcastic, I can actually see this team being pretty good and still selling, to the dismay of *some* fans. Anyone who thinks we can catch Cleveland is crazy.