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    Abreu 2023

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted · Edited by Two-Gun Pete

    17 minutes ago, Tony said:

    During his time with the White Sox, I've seen Lance Lynn perform at a very high level. What have you been watching? 

    See, some people can do two things at once. Lance Lynn can weigh more than say, Lucas Giolito, and still be an effective pitcher. 

    You could have severed our country and still have the personality of an asshole. It's the same thing! 

    First, you and your family are welcome, though I never "severed" my country.

    And yes, Lance Lynn had been better than  Giolito in the past. But, Father Time is undefeated.

     

    Unless you believe that older and fatter pitchers get healthier and better as they pass 35 year of age. Is this so?

     

    Abreu 2023

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted · Edited by Two-Gun Pete

    19 minutes ago, ptatc said:

    Your concerned about the health of Giolito, Cease and Lynn but you insist they should have retained Rodon?

    To be fair, I'm concerned about Lynn's health, and Kopech's durability.

    I'm concerned about VV and others not being good enough at baseball.

    I'm concerned that you feel a need to defend this FO, when their decisions on this area of the team have already been proven wrong.

    I find it funny that you'd rather gamble on Keuchel making his 2023 option than have gambled on an insured contract for Rodon in 2022.

    Abreu 2023

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, Tony said:

    You act like because the Sox lack starting depth, Keuchel is going pitch every 3 days.

    You're not a very smart guy (as your post history has indicated to us all) but let's do some REAL simple math. 

    If Keuchle makes 30 starts in 2022, and averages 5 innings....that gives us...drumroll please.....150 innings pitched! Now, as we know, he needs to hit 160 to have his option vest. 

    So far this season, Keuchel has made 3 starts, and has gone 4 IP, 1 IP, and 5 IP. He's also sporting a 9 ERA at the moment. 

    Now, if Keuchel is as bad as you think he's going to be (and why should we assume you think anything more than him being the anti-christ based on your disdain for almost everything related to the White Sox) how the fuck do you envision him getting to 160 IP, even with the lack of starting depth. Again....he's not taking the ball every 3rd day. We're also assuming he's going to stay healthy the entire season which....doesn't seem like great odds given the rest of the Sox injury history. 

    Lastly, without looking it up, 20 million for a pitcher may be the highest salary in White Sox history for a pitcher. You really believe if the Sox have a choice in the matter (which they 1000% do,) they're going to pay that to Keuchel in 2023? You're out of your fucking mind.

    Hey, you really know how to make a guy feel welcome. I appreciate you.

    So, to your engaging screed about how I own your mind, I say:

     

    1. "Keuchle" threw 162 IP a year ago, WITH Rodon and a healthy Lynn in the rotation. How many IP will he HAVE TO throw with Vince Velasquez and other AAAA types in the roster?

    2. "Keuchle" has an xERA in the threes, and most importantly,

    3. Who's gonna take the ball when VV is DFA'ed, and/or other SPs underperform or are injured?

    4 minutes ago, Tony said:

    Your constant fat-shaming of Lance Lynn would be funnier if he wasn't a multiple-time all-star who's made over 65 million dollars in his career.....while your fat ass sits in front of a computer and posts on a White Sox message board. 

    Indeed. You know me well.

    When I provided you and your family a blanket of freedom in the Marines, I had to be fit. Whats more, it was a bad thing for one of our fellow Marines to be out of shape, because it made my job and others' jobs more dangerous and difficult.

     

    My view on fitness remains the same as it was back then. If you're using your body to make a living, take care of it. Eat vegetables. Do your cardio. Keep your weight manageable. 

    I've not seen that commitment from Lynn so far. Have you?

    Abreu 2023

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    1 hour ago, T R U said:

    Bro, Keuchel may not even make it through this season. There’s no way they let him vest that option. 

    I hope so as well.

    But here are a few questions to consider:

    Who will take the ball when VV is DFA'ed?

    Who will take the ball when Kopech needs a break?

    Who will take the ball to replace Keuchel himself, and

    Who will take the ball once Lynn eats his way out of MLB?

    Abreu 2023

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted · Edited by Two-Gun Pete

    1 hour ago, Spumoni said:

    Agree with the rest of your points but I doubt this. If that option doesn't vest (and it seems almost certain it won't at this point) I don't see any way Keuchel returns.

     

    1 hour ago, Tony said:

    Dude, COME ON. 

    You really believe the White Sox will allow Dallas Keuchel to make 20 million in 23 because they'll let him throw 160 IP this season? I will bet you anything you want that won't come close to happening. 

     

    1 hour ago, SoxBlanco said:

    This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read on this site. And that's saying a lot.

    Let me add my voices to yours, stating that I have no interest in Keuchel remaining here. But let's write out what the rest of the rotation looks like, and the gambles this team is taking:

    1. Giolito & Cease are TJ recoveries, with Giolito already injured. These are easonable gambles that they should remain reasonably healthy, and effective, IMO.

    2. 35 year old, overweight, and already injured Lance Lynn. Gambling on the health of a guy who doesn't like exercise or vegetables to remain healthy is shoddy logic, IMO. Adding into it his age is a further gamble, IMO. Father time likes eating fat guys at the end of their careers. 

    3. Keuchel.

    4. Michael Kopech, who comes pre-injured, and who has scant chance of producing enough IP to take the place of others in this rotation.

    5. DFA candidate VV.

    6 Others: 36 year old Cueto got curb-stomped in Charlotte the other day. Lopez has been up-and-down out of the pen. Lambert has been curb-stomped both here and in Charlotte so far this season.

    In sum, they're gambling on health and effectiveness of a group that hasn't demonstrated enough of both to be sure.

    All this taken together, whos gonna take the ball every 5 days? Once VV is DFA'ed, i guess you go with Cueto? Once Lynn sprains his stomach shoveling ribs down his hole, I guess you go with Lopez? And when Kopech needs time off, who?

    And if/when Cueto, Lopez, and Lambert fail or get injured, who?

    There's neither the depth in the org, nor quality/health among the 5 man rotation to ABSOKUTELY GUARANTEE that Keuchel won't make it to 160 IP, IMO. Simply because there ain't enough MLB-caliber arms on offer.

    And thats why its a 50/50 proposition that Keuchel makes 160 IP, IMO. Far too high for my liking, but this is what happens when your FO does stupid things.

     

    44 minutes ago, ron883 said:

    I think you need a break from the Sox. This team gets you so worked up that you talk yourself into unrealistic scenarios such as this one. It's never going to happen. You need to just relax dude.

    You're right. I should be a fan of the scrubs like you.

    Abreu 2023

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    22 minutes ago, Jnooch said:

    Do we sign Abreu with Vaughn, Eloy, Sheets and Burger all bat first guys? Not signing Abreu would free up 20 million in addition 

    to 24 million coming off the books with Keickel, Harrison and Velazques contracts. Could use that money to sign Giolitto and sign a good everyday 2nd baseman.

    Couple things:

    1. As southsideirish said, JR/KW/RH/TLR absolutely WILL sign him, whether its a good idea or not. This is an org that LOVES overpaying for stupid things, like RPs, shitty utility players, and yes, aging 1Bmen.

    2. Because they stupidly gave Rodon away for free, there's now a 50/50 chance that Keuchel will be back in 2023. (Theres no surplus among SPs to allow them to move Keuchel out of the rotation.)

    3. Don't know what Pollock's option will be, but there's also his, what, $10-14MM occupying space while he occupies the training table.

    4. Whatever holes that will need patching THIS offseason, add them to the holes that weren't addressed LAST offseason, because the FO did exactly Jack and Shit about them.

    Enjoy. 

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    What The Actual F# Is Wrong With This Team?

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    2 hours ago, CentralChamps21 said:

    I wouldn't expect the pitching coach to be DIRECTLY involved with defensive positioning.

    I would expect the pitching coach to tell the rest of the coaching staff what mix of pitches he expects the starting pitcher to be featuring based on the lineup he's facing.

    I would expect someone else on the coaching staff to take that data to determine defensive positioning.

    And nor would I expect Katz to run the meeting that would determine defensive positioning. But I would expect it to be prudent to have him have input on some level.

    That he has NO input is surprising to me.

    What The Actual F# Is Wrong With This Team?

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted · Edited by Two-Gun Pete

    3 minutes ago, ptatc said:

    I wouldn't think the pitching coach would be involved in that.

    That's more the analytics and infield coach's job. 

    They would know if the pitcher throws inside to the hitter his % of pulling it is x so move the infielder.

    The pitching coach just works on how to pitch to the given hitter.

    I would assume that the pitching coach would work in tandem with the other coaches to come up with a comprehensive run prevention plan, not isolate one coach from the others.

    After all, if the pitching coach is working with the pitchers how to approach an opponent [in general], wouldn't the other coaches also want to know HOW we're going to pitch to our opponents? And given how shitty this team has been at defensive positioning, wouldn't you as an org WANT the pitching coach involved?

     

    I would.

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    What The Actual F# Is Wrong With This Team?

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    On 4/24/2022 at 1:38 AM, Tnetennba said:

    Serious question.  
     

    1st, the FO royally fucked up all offseason long, and made the team older, more injury-prone, more expensive, and worse at baseball. They did little-to-nothing to address the major issues with the roster, and created another hole by giving away ~5 fWAR from the rotation for free, and then not replacing the lost fWAR. Holding onto Kimbrel, then trading him for an ancient, oft-injured Pollock was a way to protect their egos and cover their asses for the dumb trade last TDL.

    2nd, injuries.

    3rd, either TLR's ego won't allow himself to empower his assistants to help him, or he's refusing assistance from the FO, or both. His player usage patterns suck. He's failing to use defensive subs when we're up late in games, and offensive subs when we're down late in games. Then, of course there's the Leury and Vaughn usage.

     

    Lastly, because of all of the above, the roster has got to be disheartened. On the one hand, some KEY players signed long, cheap, team-friendly extensions. OTOH, the stupid FO gave away possibly the best SP in the AL for most of 2021 for free, and signed DFA candidates VV and Harrison.

     

    I hope this turns around soon, somehow.

    What The Actual F# Is Wrong With This Team?

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    4 hours ago, Quin said:

    I feel like Menechino and Katz are both smart, intelligent coaches.

    So the flaws must come from somewhere else 🤔🤔🤔

    Katz said on the Score yesterday that he isn't involved with defensive positioning, which I found odd.

    One would assume that the pitching coach would want to be able to communicate to the defense how [in general] a pitcher would approach an opponent, so that they can be best-placed to make plays. Either this is TLR's ego keeping Katz from being involved, or this is Katz being incompetent.

    I can't decide which is worse.

    Eloy Out 6-8 Weeks

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    11 hours ago, fathom said:

    Over the last 24 days, the Sox have had injuries to the following:

    Crochet, Lynn, Giolito, Vaughn, Robert, Moncada, Harrison, Eloy, Pollock

    This is insane

    Don't forget, they added the pre-injured Kelly to the mix as well.

    11 hours ago, SonofaRoache said:

    Injury prone players get......injured. Crochet was bound to happen. Lynn is getting old and is out of shape. Gio situation was minor. 

    Agreed. All of those guys listed are injury-prone and/or old.

    Maybe, just maybe there's a reason why younger and/or healthier players are worth more in FA?

    Also, maybe this FO should, like, try to figure out why this is happening, and to intervene?

    (Yes, short spring training, and all, but this is ridiculous. )

    Eloy Out 6-8 Weeks

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted · Edited by Two-Gun Pete

    11 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

    You just better hope that the last few days when Vaughn collided with infielders doesn't become habitual. If that was Eloy we never would've heard the end of it. With Vaughn it's mostly crickets.

    It's simple, really.

    One guy has more melanin than the other guy. The more melanin you have, the less "benefit of the doubt" you seem to get over here.

    4/23 GT: Sox @ MIN (3:05 CST)

    in 2022 Season in Review

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Spumoni said:

    What we're watching right now is pathetic. Front office and the whole team should be embarrassed.

    Alas, this stretch is representing the worst of what this team was going to be, based on the (in)action of the FO this offseason.

    The OF is still full of injury-prone types, and 1B/DH types. They did nothing to add solutions for hitting vs RHP. They made the rotation weaker. And they did nothing to contain TLR's tendencies.

    I think it should get better, but it didn't have to be this way. The division will be much more interesting than it had to be.

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    4/23 GT: Sox @ MIN (3:05 CST)

    in 2022 Season in Review

    Posted · Edited by Two-Gun Pete

    4 minutes ago, fathom said:

    He’s awful, but he’s not as awful as people expected so all was ignored

    Yup.

    Thank God that they supplemented oft-injured Eloy and Robert with ancient and oft-injured Pollock, who are collectively backed up by oft-injured Adam Engel, and a couple of 1B/DH types. 

    I mean, who could have foreseen anything going wrong with this scenario? If you were, you're just "complaining" and "whining."

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    At what point does Hahn "blow it up"?

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    7 minutes ago, joesaiditstrue said:

    Boys, let's change the subject!

    Agreed.

    But I believe that in a few years we will look back at the TLR signing and the Kimbrel trade as the two "stoopid" moves that started the closure of this competitive window.

     

    That is, unless something as-yet unforeseen happens, like VV/Keuchel/Cueto all pitch well, and/or a few MiLBers from this system come up and surprise us.

    At what point does Hahn "blow it up"?

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted · Edited by Two-Gun Pete

    8 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

    Since you’re the smartest guy here, who from that list did you trust in late inning high leverage situations?

    Not saying I'm the smartest guy here, but I'm smart enough to notice that the bullpen was doing better than the 24th-best in MLB RFer at last TDL.

    Almost every contender needs to supplement the bullpen going into the 2nd half, to stave off regression, injuries, and/or wear and tear on a bullpen. But not every team needs to buy an old, expensive closer when the one you already have was an AL All Star at the TDL, AND had no signs of wearing down. 

    At what point does Hahn "blow it up"?

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    Posted · Edited by Two-Gun Pete

    2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

     Wait, I am giving Tony LaRussa a pass?

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

    Ya know what, you're right, now that I think on it. You'll criticize TLR, but you'll give RH a pass.

    Like with the Kimbrel trade. 

     

    Me including TLR was as funny as you including Aaron Bummer's 4.1 IP sample, and using RP ERA as a talking point.

    At what point does Hahn "blow it up"?

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    Just now, southsider2k5 said:

    Again.

    The Sox needed relief pitchers, and they got the best one on the market.

    When I showed you why they needed a reliever, you ignored the obvious and tried to pretend that what was happening in July, August, and September somehow applied as valid for decision making at the trade deadline.

    And the irony of the guy who has repeatedly labeled everyone and thing he doesn't agree with as "stoopid" catching feelings over what phrases are being used in an argument isn't lost on anyone.

    I disagree, and I showed you more representative numbers than you showing Aaron Bummer's [snicker] ERA over a career-defining 4.1 IP sample.

    I showed you the splits from the beginning of the year through 7/30/21. It had nothing to do with August or September.

     

    Yes, there's irony, in that if you can show me attacking anyone [other than RH/KW/the FO], feel free to show us. I'll happily call TLR, RH, KW all "stoopid," but you won't find me doing that to my fellow poster. OTOH, you feel comfortable attacking the poster, while giving TLR, RH, and the FO a free pass.

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