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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 28, 2018 -> 02:25 PM) Hansen has an outside chance of being in Chicago at some point this year. Neither Cease or Dunning really do. Re: Hansen - With how slow they have brought along everyone else I highly doubt he sees the majors before 2019 season probably as a mid season call up. I’d like to see him duplicate his previous effort but this time in the high minors for this entire season he doesn’t look ready for the majors yet. I think we are looking at Kopech mid season ‘18, Cease and Hansen mid season ‘19. Dunning TBA could be mid season ‘19 or ‘20. Lopez probably goes to the bullpen in ‘20 if he can’t stick as a starter. I think Rodon gets traded once he puts together a healthy half season - maybe next offseason. If they think Hansen is ready going into the ‘19 season that will probably happen. Fulmer is a full time reliever by ‘19 if he can’t stick in this year’s rotation.

Lopez to me is the question mark not sure if it’s conditioning or focus later in games or what. Maybe a lack of conditioning affects his focus later in starts which is flattening out his pitches. That’s my guess but could be wrong. Needs another pitch or two to succeed long term as a starter.

QUOTE (mac9001 @ Mar 28, 2018 -> 01:45 PM) People put way too much stock into spring training. He's got a long way to go. But I expect he'll be in AA at some point this year. For hitters, yes I would agree. Not so much with pitchers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 28, 2018 -> 09:24 AM) Disappointment: Lucas Giolitto, some redflags in his numbers last year Don’t mean to nitpick I don’t know if you watched the games in ST but he is far and away our best starter and it’s not close. He’s maturing into a real pitcher versus a guy who just tries to overpower people like he did in the past. Moving the batter’s eyes around, locating pitches well, taking a little on/off pitches, sharper breaking stuff, fastball with more life than in recent past. There’s something to be said about confidence and mound presence now and he has it. I was absolutely terrified when he was rumored to be moved for the rental Machado this offseason and we are seeing why.

Closer than I expected. He might be closer than Hansen or Dunning.

They both look like they have potential to be great hitters in different ways but I went Eloy. I don’t see any reason to think he won’t take the league by storm when he gets to Chicago.

Guy needs to lose weight. Get him swimming laps in the pool I doubt he’ll be running anytime soon.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 21, 2018 -> 02:45 PM) That is still top 3 on average per team. The guy isn't average. It's a good narrative for people who don't want to sign him, but it simply isn't true. And anyone the White Sox eventually sign, will more than likely have some sort of issue during the term of their contract, just like some of the prospects we are drooling about now. A couple or a few will turn out to be throw ins for trades in coming years, never realizing what we see as their potential now. I have no idea what Boras is asking. I would imagine it isn't discounted too much. So I don't think the White Sox will sign him. All I am saying is there should be a price where they say, it makes sense. His body of work is nothing spectacular. Look at his entire career. He had a career year. He’s not a difference maker. I’d rather see us offer the most money to the Machado, Arenado, and Harper group and if none of them take it then we start filling out the team with lesser tier players like this.

Unless it’s really cheap I’m not interested. Losing a draft pick not worth it for him. He will regress a ton.

QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Feb 19, 2018 -> 10:36 PM) Don’t want to be the downer here, but I feel there was some of this same hype after Saladino flashed some decent signs a few years ago. I honestly see him as the 24/25 man on our roster at best. In a perfect situation he’s a guy who can offer flexibility at 1b/dh and corner of. But if I had to guess, I’m putting him as not onthe team in 2020. Difference is Saladino had already seen quite a bit of time at the major league level before that one season. I see steady improvement with Delmonico. Avi seems like a better bet to turn into Saladino

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 12, 2018 -> 09:24 PM) And pitchers just don’t have the longevity anymore. One more major Giolito injury and Lopez/Fulmer going to the bullpen and we’re suddenly back to Kopech/Hansen/Cease/Dunning and a bunch of unknowns, especially with Rodon’s status so up in the air. That would require filling at least one major rotation hole in free agency, instead of filling two holes in the starting lineup with the MLB equivalent of LBJ and Paul George. If you could pencil in All Star next to Tim Anderson and Carlos Rodon’s names in 2019, it would be much easier to feel 100% confident. You're assuming we forget how to develop high draft pick starting pitchers. That's always been this team's bread and butter and I don't see it changing as long as key personnel remain in place.

Some people still haven't had enough of the veteran stop gap thing. Sheesh. Some things never change. And before you flame me, take a look at the bullpen before you say we are going to make a miraculous run this year. It's a transition year. Since the Shields trade blunder they have been making all the right decisions on acting on trades and not acting on other rumored trades/signings that would've been detrimental to the rebuild. Let's hope it stays that way.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Feb 5, 2018 -> 02:57 PM) Not to be callous, but the death of Jose Fernandez really messed up their chances to win. I mean think about the White Sox pre-selloff if suddenly Chris Sale just straight up disappeared. Not something you can just recover from. Amazing how much good young talent they had and did essentially nothing with. It seems like their farm dried up big time once those players made the majors.

The timing is not good for making a trade like this. We still don't know if Collins/Zavala are legit C options and have Castillo for another couple years. The Castillo signing looks like it was intended to be used as a transition to Collins/Zavala.

I'd like to see Collins bump up his averages and power numbers this year. The plate discipline is good just a little puzzling why that's not translating to better contact when he does swing. Because you'd think that would mean he's swinging at good pitches to hit. Only other explanation would be they are junkballing him all the time or there is a certain pitch/count he's getting exploited on.

Can we stop calling for vets who aren't difference makers and won't be here a year from now? Let the kids play.

Astros and Yankees will be too good to win that many. I think we can pull out likely one maybe two titles at best in our window. Won't have the payroll to be overly dominant. Will probably be a season where the Astros or Yankees get banged up with injuries.

JD Martinez must be going to Boston then. Giants were going hard after him.

Doesn’t make sense unless they had a deal lined up to trade Avi

This makes no sense. It seems like they are getting antsy about how they think they have to “sell the fans” on this offseason. Do nothing and stay the course.

Interesting I wonder if he calls his own pitches since he was a catcher.

No reason to make a trade like this until we see where the holes will be on our roster. I highly doubt we will need an outfielder.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 21, 2017 -> 12:46 AM) He's not in favor of the tank obviously. I've been preaching this to the choir during the Sox rebuild. It's pretty sad fans have to pay 40 bucks to park a car or whatever it is and 11 bucks for a beer and 18 bucks for a burger, fries and coke and watch a team that's tanking on purpose. Very sad. I wish the fans would boycott during the tank years then come back when the rebuild is complete. It's bogus. It’s an ownership problem. Free agent salaries have gone up fast. The league should start to put pressure on owners to sell their teams if they won’t pay up to field competitive rosters.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 20, 2017 -> 12:02 PM) Maybe the Sox can take whatever they offered for Machado and use it towards Yelich Why not wait to see what positions we are going to have holes at before making a big trade?

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 19, 2017 -> 04:52 PM) Bruce Levine piping in has me more confident than ever this deal is dead. Sorry but last week we heard they had deals good enough to bring to ownership, and it didn’t happen. Now they are still waiting for a deal they like? It ain’t happening, this thing is dead. At least from White Sox perspective. Good I was hoping we wouldn’t make that mistake. I don’t think any top tier players will sign here until most of the roster is in place.