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    Bleacher Report ranks Sox MiLB system 3rd

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    After the Pierzynski rant that went viral (and I thought was a little ill informed/unfair), I'd love if someone was able to compile a list of all players drafted in Round 11 or later from 2017-2020 (Getz's time as Director of Player Development) that made the MLB for all teams and see how many guys each team had and how good they were.  

    I'd be willing to guess most teams didn't have a ton and out of the ones that made it, most of them are guys like Seby Zavala.

    Some Bright Spots

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    I am hopeful about the pitching.  Crochet, Fedde, Thorpe, Nastrini, Cannon, Bush, etc. could form a fun young rotation next year.  

    The offense feels so far away. 

    We have a guy:

    CF - Robert 
    LF - Unfortunately probably stuck with Benitendi

    Possibly have a guy/Going to give a shot to a prospect

    RF - Hopefully Fletcher is the guy

    SS - Montgomery 

    3B - Ramos 

    C- I think we are ok with the two prospects and a random vet signing

    Need a guy

    1B 

    DH

    2B

    When you organize it like that, it doesn't feel as dire.  Theoretically, 1B, DH, 2B should be easier to find.  The problem is besides Robert, all the other names aren't players I want batting in the top half of a lineup.  Ideally, Fletcher would take Benitendi's spot in the lineup and you fill the other corner OF with a dude who can hit.  But that's not realistic.

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    Colas

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    22 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

    Personally, I wish the Sox had conducted a full search and interview process, and just gone outside the organization for a new GM. That would at least have bought him/her a bit of a honeymoon period to operate, and make the uncomfortable decisions. Getz didn't, and the fact he was part of the old regime was a distraction from day one. 

    If he was from outside the organization, he could also be a lot more assertive in public/interviews about "We are going to change a lot of things" and "Things are going to be different."

    Even if its bullshit, that's the type of stuff people say when they get a GM job and fans like to hear it. 

    I bet there is some reluctance to do that since he was here, knows the guys he'd be indirectly trashing, and maybe even liked them/feels gratitude to them for hiring him.

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    Colas

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    10 minutes ago, Quin said:

    Fine, riddle me this:

    What about Getz's resume justified promoting him to GM?

     

    3 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

    Reinsdorf liked him and knew who he was. haha. 

    I would have loved it if they did a full exhaustive search.... but just because I didn't agree with the way he got the job... or that he got the job at all (!), I'm not going to waste calories trying to bash everything the guy does to prove I was right. 

    I actually like some of the things he's done since he took over.  Its pretty obvious that the plan this season was to find pitching and field a lineup of guys who can defend, and hope the three hurt morons finally stayed healthy.  I don't believe he was dumb enough to think the team was going to be good.  So far, the pitching has been ok.  By the end of the year, I think we'll have a decent idea of our staff moving forward.  They'll bring up Montgomery and Ramos and we can see how they look in addition to a guy like Fletcher.

    I'll add this... I also don't know what was happening behind closed doors.  What if Getz was on the losing (but right) side of 80% of the internal discussions during his time here?   I don't know enough about what he was doing day to day to say with confidence that he sucks.  I have enough evidence to be pretty sure that Hahn and Kenny sucked the last decade. 

    Colas

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    1 minute ago, Quin said:

    Fine, riddle me this:

    What about Getz's resume justified promoting him to GM?

    Reinsdorf liked him and knew who he was. haha. 

    I would have loved it if they did a full exhaustive search.... but just because I didn't agree with the way he got the job... or that he got the job at all (!), I'm not going to waste calories trying to bash everything the guy does to prove I was right. 

    I actually like some of the things he's done since he took over.  Its pretty obvious that the plan this season was to find pitching and field a lineup of guys who can defend, and hope the three hurt morons finally stayed healthy.  I don't believe he was dumb enough to think the team was going to be good.  So far, the pitching has been ok.  By the end of the year, I think we'll have a decent idea of our staff moving forward.  They'll bring up Montgomery and Ramos and we can see how they look in addition to a guy like Fletcher.

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    Colas

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    I feel like the Getz thing is somewhere in the middle... and also kind of unknowable. 

    If you made a list of any organization's prospects, there are going to be a ton of "failures."  That's just how it works across the league.  Did the Sox produce less major league talent than the rest of the MLB during that time?  I don't know but I'm guessing they probably did.  

    Ok... how much of that is Getz's fault?  I'm not sure.  He was the farm director but who knows what type of decision-making power he had.  When he tried to implement something, was he overruled?  Everyone seems to understand that JR, KW, and TLR got their way when it came to Hahn's authority.  Am I to believe that JR, KW, TLR, and Hahn all gave Getz complete control and approved every suggestion?  Seems unlikely.  

    Furthermore, even if Getz had more power and influence than we think he did, he still wasn't the one picking the players.  I'm not going to pretend I know enough about amateur baseball to know which failures are attributable to him and which failures are on the player, GM, scouting dept, etc.  I bet most people here share my ignorance. 

    The people who are the loudest in attacking Getz's resume are all fans on the outside and AJ Pierzynski... and one episode of his podcast, AJ seemed confused and implying Getz was in charge of drafts... which was obviously not the case.  Other than that, it seems like a lot of the analysts and people connected to mlb have more respect for him than your typical SoxTalk poster or commenter under SoxMachine tweet.  

    Where I think WestEddy is right is that there are a number of people who are just salty and ignoring actual successes on his resume.  You can say he didn't deserve the job and still acknowledge they produced some major league talent when he was around.  I think its unfair and kind of tiring to say he deserves all the blame for the failures but no recognition for Robert or depth pieces while trashing him for something relatively insignificant like sending Colas back down. 

    Again... a lot of hyperventilating happening and I think its just residual anger from 2022-23.

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    2024 Gavin Sheets = 2018 Daniel Palka

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    8 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    I’ll take that as a ban bet by the end of the season.  We can even put it into our signatures to hold us to it.  Interested?

     

    8 hours ago, WestEddy said:

    I don't bet. I'm not sure why I would commit to some outcome based on a "if this guy does this, then..." statement. Do you bet a lot? I'm guessing you do. 

     

    8 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    🐓

     

    8 hours ago, WestEddy said:

    It's weird that nobody's taking "ban bets" on the "Oh noes!! The White Sox won't win 30 games." Or even the "historically bad" statements. Y'all engage in hyperbole every single day. Please show the tickets where you put up your house for the Sox to not exceed 42 wins. That would give any of the braying idiots any credibility. 

    Not to keep this argument going but I offered @WhiteSox2023 a ban bet in another thread when he said they'd lose 120 games (I offered him 118 I think?) and he changed the subject immediately after accusing me of being related to Jerry Reinsdorf.  

    I'll still take that bet....

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    Colas

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    Just now, WhiteSox2023 said:

    eloy-jimenez-injury-history-since-2019-h.

    Oh s%*#, you're right.  He sure does get hurt a lot.  How come no one talks about this? 

    Thanks for noticing.  

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    Colas

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    Injury-prone players get injured, frequently and at any time.  That’s why they are called injury-prone.  It’s why most people just laugh when Eloy gets hurt, because it happens so often, it is no longer a surprise to people.  The dude had a foot contusion right at the end of Spring Training and was day-to-day.  He then gets injured gingerly running to first base in less than ten games into the season.  If you are betting on a guy like Eloy to stay healthy for any sort of stretch of time, you may as well throw your money into a lot fireplace.  Moncada is similar — back issues, shin issues, etc.  Robert is starting to get the label as well.

    Again.... what was the correct move?  Those guys are comically injury prone.  No one disagrees.  Would you have cut them?  That wasn't happening.  This team was never going to be good this year.  You are acting like they were on the verge of being good if only Getz made different decisions.  This was always going to be a lost year.... whether that meant 57 wins or 72 wins.  It doesn't matter.  Blame Getz for actual stuff he had control over.  

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    Colas

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    Just now, WhiteSox2023 said:

    Nonsense.  Eloy and Moncada are two of the most injury-prone players in baseball, and Robert is quickly gaining the same reputation.

    So what's the solution?  You were angry that they dropped Jose Rodriguez to keep older guys.  You imply that bringing up Colas and Sosa is some failure.  There was no way anyone was taking Moncada or Eloy this year.  Did you want more old guys on the roster to be available when Eloy and Moncada got hurt again?  

    Luis Robert right hip flexor injury

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    19 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

    I'm going to ask the question: 

    Did Getz f*** up by not trading Robert this winter? 

    I know none of us wanted to trade him this winter at the prices that were being floated around, but now what are they getting? Anything at all? For all we know he might end up in a Moncada situation next year and his option isn't going to get picked up. 

    Lol... come on.  Did I miss news where this is career ending injury? 

    If it keeps happening, sure.  

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    Sox now 1-7, on pace for 20-142 record

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    1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    Haha, I love how you are trying to make a bet about failure or epic failure.  Are you for real?  Are you white knighting Jerry and Getz because you are in their family?

    Yup.  I'm Jerry's nephew.  You can tell because I'm so positive and saying stuff like they will win 60-something games.

    If you don't take my bet, you love my uncle.

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    Sox now 1-7, on pace for 20-142 record

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    I’d rather have kept Rodriguez.  It’s not the end of the world.  But yes, this team could lose 120 games based on the early trends.

    Ban bet o/u at 118 loses.  Take it or else you are just some cheerleader who loves Reinsdorf and Getz

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    Sox now 1-7, on pace for 20-142 record

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    Just now, fathom said:

    Missing their only offensive player with any star talent for two months is going to destroy this offense.  You say half the lineup can’t hit….thats what was expected with the awful additions.  Again, none of this is unexpected, but they lost the one player they couldn’t afford to lose.

    True. I originally thought they may win 70ish games and now it’s probably in the 60s.  Both outcomes are bad.  I watched the least amount of baseball in my life last year and probably won’t watch much more this year.  It sucks… but 1) they aren’t going to win less than 40 games. 2) no one thought they’d be good.  
     

    Anyone who thinks the team will play at a 1-7 clip the entire year has never watched baseball.

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    Sox now 1-7, on pace for 20-142 record

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted · Edited by Nardiwashere

    7 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    Is this a real post?  So what do you enjoy about this shitshow, and what should everyone else enjoy to match such a great Sox fan as yourself?

    They are bad. I knew they’d be bad.  I’m not pouting and pretending that Jose Rodriguez is a future stud and that a 1-7 record is some newsworthy occurrence.  It’s a 162 game season and at least half the lineup can’t hit.  They’ll have stretches like this and they’ll luck into a few small winning streaks and end up where most everyone thought they’d end up.  
     

    People on this site are claiming the team won’t win 40 games.  It’s a pathetic circle jerk of misery.

    Sox now 1-7, on pace for 20-142 record

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    And the Cleveland Guardians are on pace for 126-36.

    Sox fans have turned into little whiny bitches. They are a bad team.  This isn’t some shock.  Crying about Jose Rodriguez getting DFA’d like they gave up Mike Trout, flipping out over the record a week into the season.    

    Did anyone expect them to be 7-1?

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