soxforlife05 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 05:02 PM) It will be interesting to see if dombrowski folds. If they aren't giving up anyone off the major league roster I wouldn't even pick up the phone until Moncada/Benintendi/Devers are agreed on, then let the Sox pick 2-3 others to throw in. They are just overvaluing their prospects due to recent major league success of a number of them. Trading those guys doesn't even hurt them that much with all the young talent they already have in the majors. Edited July 25, 2016 by soxforlife05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 02:59 AM) If they aren't giving up anyone off the major league roster I wouldn't even pick up the phone until Moncada/Benintendi/Devers are agreed on, then let the Sox pick 2-3 others to throw in. They are just overvaluing their prospects due to recent major league success of a number of them. Trading those guys doesn't even hurt them that much with all the young talent they already have in the majors. And that is why we should not trust Hahn/KW to be in charge of this rebuild. Can you imagine if the White Sox organization knew how to scout and develop talent properly and they were the team that had 'all the young talent' to go along with Sale and Q? Even if they did a half way decent job overt the past 8 years, we would not be talking about trading two of the best pitchers in the baseball. There is a reason they coined the term 'retool' over the last 10 seasons. It is because they cannot develop for the life of them and they rely on acquirering veterans to fill in the plethora of holes on the MLB roster. How do they do that? By overpaying in the free agent market OR depleting the already thin farm system. Yeah.. We should not trust Hahn or KW with a rebuild. They put us in this tough spot, let a new leader do it the right way. This season has been pretty embarrassing-- from the lack of clubhouse leadership by Robin to the Sale vs Management debacles to just pure bad baseball. It is exhausting being a Sox fan these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 After seeing the possible Chapman deal, there's no reason Sale + Robertson shouldn't net a monstrous package from Dombrowski of all people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGoSox2k2 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:52 AM) After seeing the possible Chapman deal, there's no reason Sale + Robertson shouldn't net a monstrous package from Dombrowski of all people. I really hope this post does mean that Reisndorf put his foot down and wont let Rick sell at the deadline.. Scares me.. whitesoxdave @barstoolWSD 1h1 hour ago Chicago, IL Up yours Reinsdorf! 1 retweet 21 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 21 More Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (GoGoSox2k2 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:55 AM) I really hope this post does mean that Reisndorf put his foot down and wont let Rick sell at the deadline.. Scares me.. whitesoxdave @barstoolWSD 1h1 hour ago Chicago, IL Up yours Reinsdorf! 1 retweet 21 likes Reply Retweet 1 Like 21 More Hmmm pretty vague but you may be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 That reminds me of tweets from college recruits that are like "can't decide what I want" and people are like OH NO HES DECOMMITTING and he's talking about a drive thru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Clubs talking with Red Sox say they're still trying to do "something big." But for what high-end starter? Chris Sale? Sonny Gray? Mystery P? https://twitter.com/jaysonst/status/757592639252238336 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Considering the weird players Bean always wants that makes me nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 The price that pitchers are going for right now suggests the Sox should be able to completely stock their system in a Sale trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 11:28 AM) The price that pitchers are going for right now suggests the Sox should be able to completely stock their system in a Sale trade. It's such that Betts, Moancada, Benintendi and Swihart for Sale/Robertson no longer seems crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:28 AM) The price that pitchers are going for right now suggests the Sox should be able to completely stock their system in a Sale trade. No, it will be "Oh well we paid more for .5 year of a closer because it helps our flexibility. Getting 5 years of a cheap #1 starter is too expensive!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:52 AM) After seeing the possible Chapman deal, there's no reason Sale + Robertson shouldn't net a monstrous package from Dombrowski of all people. If that's the package for a .5 year of Chapman, it makes me skeptical that we can get full value for 3.5 years of Sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 08:29 AM) It's such that Betts, Moancada, Benintendi and Swihart for Sale/Robertson no longer seems crazy. I'd make that trade but I don't know that Boston would (at least in-season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:40 AM) If that's the package for a .5 year of Chapman, it makes me skeptical that we can get full value for 3.5 years of Sale. It would take at least 5 top prospects, and two of those would have to be no doubter MLB impact players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 11:45 AM) I'd make that trade but I don't know that Boston would (at least in-season). I've learned to never doubt Dombrowski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:00 AM) That reminds me of tweets from college recruits that are like "can't decide what I want" and people are like OH NO HES DECOMMITTING and he's talking about a drive thru. Except for the fact that this tweet actually mentions the owner of the team's name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) It's such that Betts, Moancada, Benintendi and Swihart for Sale/Robertson no longer seems crazy. Replace Betts with Devers and Kopech and I think it's more realistic. I just don't see many contenders subtracting main pieces like Betts (unless they dealt Betts and kept Benintendi to replace Betts with). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 11:50 AM) Replace Betts with Devers and Kopech and I think it's more realistic. I just don't see many contenders subtracting main pieces like Betts (unless they dealt Betts and kept Benintendi to replace Betts with). We saw Beane do it with Lester-Cespedes. Sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. We can give them...J.B. Shuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) Beane.... They will never in a million years give up Betts, Bradley, Jr., or Bogaerts in season. Perhaps they'll throw in Castillo and eat the majority of his salary...or Sandoval...leaving the Sox free to trade Frazier as well. Doubt they'd have much interest in Sandoval, though. Edited July 25, 2016 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:53 AM) We saw Beane do it with Lester-Cespedes. Sometimes desperate times call for desperate measures. We can give them...J.B. Shuck. Then they won't be getting Chris Sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 09:46 AM) I've learned to never doubt Dombrowski. He usually gets his guy. Ala Price, Miggy, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 They'll get Quintana and Robertson in a deal. Do they need Frazier as well? I can't remember how 3B is for them? Blockbuster involving Q, DRob, Frazier for Moncada+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 11:24 AM) They'll get Quintana and Robertson in a deal. Do they need Frazier as well? I can't remember how 3B is for them? Blockbuster involving Q, DRob, Frazier for Moncada+ Moncada ++++++++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 11:24 AM) They'll get Quintana and Robertson in a deal. Do they need Frazier as well? I can't remember how 3B is for them? Blockbuster involving Q, DRob, Frazier for Moncada+ That deal requires a player on their active roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 25, 2016 -> 10:29 AM) It's such that Betts, Moancada, Benintendi and Swihart for Sale/Robertson no longer seems crazy. If the Sox could pull this off, wow. It's my absolute No. 1 dream scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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