Quin Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 11:06 AM) Complication w/Moncada is @RedSox having invested $63 million in bonus and taxes to sign him. Puts him in separate category. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/760129399568101376 I mean, they get 3.5 years of a Hall of Fame talent for less than that. Seems like a good investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted August 1, 2016 Author Share Posted August 1, 2016 I will continue to say, I find it highly improbable that Sale is dealt now. The Sox would be taking much greater risk, most likely, dealing him now, because it is far less likely they can get young, proven MLB assets (such as a Betts) if you deal at the deadline. If you wait to the off-season, the package shifts a bit, but you also probably get yourself at least a guy or two who lower the potential "floor" of the deal. In a lot of the "rumored" deals I've seen, It would almost take every guy hitting their ceiling for the trade to have very much upside. For example, if a deal is centered around Urias, then the liklihood he even becomes something close to Sale is pretty unlikely, so to win out or even get fair, you need to get a few other guys who are solid contributors (and to have that, you need enough to make up for the typical bust rates, etc). It isn't like we have a guy with one year left, where you realize, you are talking about a shorter-duration in terms of value given up, but in Sale and Q's case, we have years of control, so the benefit of these young players "and the additional years" of control is minimized a bit as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (heirdog @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:06 AM) No, I think you misunderstood. We like the sharing and really no one came at you too strongly about it and the reaction was just a bit bizarre...bananas and DVDs and what not...that's all. Keep at it and continue to share. Got it! I'll try to hold it together. Either way...it looks like there's some movement with Boston and that's a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 11:08 AM) Names of interest in @whitesox Sale/Quintana talks w/@Dodgers: LHP Julio Urias, 1B-OF Clay Bellinger, OF Alex Verdugo, 2B Willie Calhoun. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/760129888904966144 Q to Dodgers, Sale to Red Sox. Dear lord please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:06 AM) Yoan Moncada viewed as unlikely piece in Chris Sale talks. Potential @RedSox package leads w/Andrew Benintendi, Eduardo Rodriguez. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/760128750784839680 I like Rodriguez, but he needs to be the third of fourth piece for me, not the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Phil Rogers @philgrogers 1m1 minute ago Names of interest in @whitesox Sale/Quintana talks w/@Dodgers: LHP Julio Urias, 1B-OF Clay Bellinger, OF Alex Verdugo, 2B Willie Calhoun. I agree with these names Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:06 AM) Complication w/Moncada is @RedSox having invested $63 million in bonus and taxes to sign him. Puts him in separate category. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/760129399568101376 Fine then give us boegarts lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:09 AM) Q to Dodgers, Sale to Red Sox. Dear lord please. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:08 AM) I will continue to say, I find it highly improbable that Sale is dealt now. The Sox would be taking much greater risk, most likely, dealing him now, because it is far less likely they can get young, proven MLB assets (such as a Betts) if you deal at the deadline. If you wait to the off-season, the package shifts a bit, but you also probably get yourself at least a guy or two who lower the potential "floor" of the deal. In a lot of the "rumored" deals I've seen, It would almost take every guy hitting their ceiling for the trade to have very much upside. For example, if a deal is centered around Urias, then the liklihood he even becomes something close to Sale is pretty unlikely, so to win out or even get fair, you need to get a few other guys who are solid contributors (and to have that, you need enough to make up for the typical bust rates, etc). It isn't like we have a guy with one year left, where you realize, you are talking about a shorter-duration in terms of value given up, but in Sale and Q's case, we have years of control, so the benefit of these young players "and the additional years" of control is minimized a bit as well. I'd honestly rather roll the dice on the unproven guys at this point I think. If the deal is Sale for Betts and Eduardo Rodriguez, for example, I dunno how much that really helps us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 I actually like Phil Rogers more than most, but what he's tweeting out isn't any kind of insider stuff. Phil everyone knows Q or Sale would require a few top prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 08:09 AM) Phil Rogers @philgrogers 1m1 minute ago Names of interest in @whitesox Sale/Quintana talks w/@Dodgers: LHP Julio Urias, 1B-OF Clay Bellinger, OF Alex Verdugo, 2B Willie Calhoun. I agree with these names If I'm the Dodgers, I am not moving Urias for Q. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Right-hander Jose DeLeon also among @Dodgers prospects being discussed in Chris Sale/Jose Quintana talks. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/760130878383194112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:06 AM) Complication w/Moncada is @RedSox having invested $63 million in bonus and taxes to sign him. Puts him in separate category. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/760129399568101376 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:08 AM) You should have listened to me last week. I stated the very same thing. I kind of had a feeling this might be a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Phil Rogers @philgrogers 35s35 seconds ago Right-hander Jose DeLeon also among @Dodgers prospects being discussed in Chris Sale/Jose Quintana talks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) Just taking a break from work to check on this. Man it would suck to not get Moncada for Sale. I'm not sure I make that deal. Maybe the sox don't like the contract of Moncada. Benintendi, Devers, Kopech and Rodriguez isn't enough I feel like. Edited August 1, 2016 by SouthSideSale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 11:11 AM) If I'm the Dodgers, I am not moving Urias for Q. Kershaw's injury changes everything for them. They need an anchor to get them to the finish line and hope he gets back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Getting told on Twitter that Sale isn't worth Moncada and Ben.. These people are f***ing stoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Something else to keep in mind w/@RedSox Sale/Quintana talks: David Robertson could also be included. @RedSox not done in bullpen. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/760131391669567488 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 11:14 AM) Something else to keep in mind w/@RedSox Sale/Quintana talks: David Robertson could also be included. @RedSox not done in bullpen. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/760131391669567488 If Robertson gets included, Moncada definitely needs to come along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timbo8 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:12 AM) Kershaw's injury changes everything for them. They need an anchor to get them to the finish line and hope he gets back.honsely q need to get out of chicago he waisting his talents here when you team cant hold the lead or score more runs for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:15 AM) If Robertson gets included, Moncada definitely needs to come along. Sale and Robertson for Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, Kopech, and Swihart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:12 AM) Just taking a break from work to check on this. Man it would suck to not get Moncada for Sale. I'm not sure I make that deal. Maybe the sox don't like the contract of Moncada. Benintendi, Devers, Kopech and Rodriguez isn't enough I feel like. The Red Sox paid Moncada a $31.5 million bonus, and paid the league a $31.5 million penalty. They are invested $63 million. The Sox would pay him minimal amounts. It's Boston that doesn't want that $63 million investment to go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Sale and Robertson for Moncada, Benintendi, Devers, Rodriguez or Kopech and Vasquez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 (edited) There's gotta be a way to work around the fact they paid $63 million for Moncada. Include Robertson or Melky and be willing to eat some cash? Edited August 1, 2016 by soxfan2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted August 1, 2016 Share Posted August 1, 2016 Here, awake! Setting the over/under on my post count today at 175.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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