Jose Abreu Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 I'm just gonna go ahead and make a wish list on the Sox deadline movement: Trade with Red Sox: Boston gets: Chris Sale, David Robertson, Zach Duke Chicago gets: Yoan Moncada, Andrew Benintendi, Blake Swihart, Rafael Devers, Michael Kopech, Eduardo Rodriguez, Travis Lakins Trade with Dodgers: Los Angeles gets: Jose Quintana Chicago gets: Julio Urias, Jose De Leon, Alex Verdugo, Starling Heredia Trade with Rangers: Texas gets: Jose Abreu, Melky Cabrera, Brett Lawrie, James Shields, cash Chicago gets: Rougned Odor, Luis Ortiz Trade with Astros: Houston gets: Todd Frazier Chicago gets: Kyle Tucker, Gilberto Celestino Obviously not all of this will happen, but it's fun to imagine how stacked our farm can be after selling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 You're not getting Urias and De Leon for Q. How this team looks in 2 weeks or by April of 2017 will sure be interesting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 (edited) Orioles get - Zach Duke WS Get - RHP Ofelky Peralta, LHP Tanner Scott Texas gets - Chris Sale, Melky Cabrera WS get - OF Nomar Mazara, RHP Luis Ortiz, 1B/OF Joey Gallo, RHP Ariel Jurado, SS Yeyson Yrizarri Boston gets - David Robertson WS get - C/OF Blake Swihart, LHP Trey Ball Edited July 23, 2016 by daggins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Ewwww Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:19 AM) I suspect that a "king's ransom" was never offered; just some FO guy termed a mediocre offer that. I don't see the point in trading Abreu and I think the chances of that happening are close to zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 02:16 PM) I don't see the point in trading Abreu and I think the chances of that happening are close to zero. Not while he's having an average year, for shizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2nd_city_saint787 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Robertson and Q for Moncada, Beinitendi, Swihart and lower level guys. Done. End rebuild. Sale-Shields-Rodon-Fulmer-Gonzalez C-Swihart 1B- Fraizer 2B- Moncada 3B- Lawrie SS- Anderson RF- Eaton CF- Beinitendi LF- Melky DH- Abreu Add to the bullpen. If it fails again, sell again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 04:20 PM) Robertson and Q for Moncada, Beinitendi, Swihart and lower level guys. Done. End rebuild. Sale-Shields-Rodon-Fulmer-Gonzalez C-Swihart 1B- Fraizer 2B- Moncada 3B- Lawrie SS- Anderson RF- Eaton CF- Beinitendi LF- Melky DH- Abreu Add to the bullpen. If it fails again, sell again. Did you just list a rotation with Shields as your #2 and say "done...end rebuild"? That rotation is a huge concern. Even if Rodon takes a step forward, there's no question Fulmer needs more seasoning if he's going to be a starter. And not sure Swihart can stick at catcher, I thought they moved him to the OF? While the offense could be much improved, it's just as possible that Moncada & Benintendi have rookie struggles. No offense, that team is unlikely to compete for a wild card in 2017 and then potentially lose Frazier, Melky, & Lawrie. I don't see how this plan works with Sale as good as gone come 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Someone on the Red Sox forum Sons of Sam Horn posted this: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-trade-value-21-to-30/ Check out players 25 and 26. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
credezcrew24 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 03:26 PM) Someone on the Red Sox forum Sons of Sam Horn posted this: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-trade-value-21-to-30/ Check out players 25 and 26. There isn't a GM on the planet who wouldn't trade Moncada for Quintana straight up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxforlife05 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (credezcrew24 @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 04:48 AM) There isn't a GM on the planet who wouldn't trade Moncada for Quintana straight up. Moncada is way too high on that list he's never played a game above AA. Even his stats there aren't overly impressive but they are good enough. Too bad we weren't looking to trade a front line starter back in 2013 we probably could've gotten something like Betts, Bogaerts + another player. Damn what a shame. Edited July 24, 2016 by soxforlife05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Bosox have sunk $64 Million into Moncada. Complicates it for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 D-Rob is a perfect fit in Boston. He's from and dominated the AL East while BOS needs a temporary closer who can slot as a set up (where frankly Robertson is better as). Boston has the money to comfortably pay him too and deep farm system to get him too. I'd honestly take Kopech, a guy who I was big on out of the his draft class, (who has a Sale-like temper with a Chapman-like fastball) alone for Robertson but I'd try to milk out one of Sam Travis/Brian Johnson and one of Pat Light/Trey Ball for him as well. At best I think Sox can get RHP Michael Kopech, 1B Sam Travis (who I'd like to see in LF for Sox), and RHP Pat Light (a nice 'pen piece with D-Rob and Duke likely shopped with Webb, Putnam, and Petricka all recovering from surgery) for D-Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 LHP Zach Duke to NYM for RHP Gabriel Ynoa and 3B David Thompson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 08:59 AM) LHP Zach Duke to NYM for RHP Gabriel Ynoa and 3B David Thompson All the Ynoa's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSoxJon Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 In the offseason I'd shop Frazier to NYM for OF Brandon Nimmo, SS Gavin Cecchini, and RHP Justin Dunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDWhiteSoxFan Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 10:07 AM) In the offseason I'd shop Frazier to NYM for OF Brandon Nimmo, SS Gavin Cecchini, and RHP Justin Dunn I feel like you should trade Frazier during season. Team's get 1.5 out of his contract in addition to him helping them for a playoff push. Sale and Q I get the wait idea as people will be more willingly to send over MLB talent. Either way the next week is going to be annoying haha. I'm going to be constantly on these forums checking the same last post constantly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyAcosta41 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Hello, fellow Sox faithful. Wild that after that blazing hot 23-10 start, we'd be dealing with an all-but-dead team late July, and, worse yet, a new round of grave concerns about this team's future. At some point, even this loyal to a fault ownership group must acknowledge that the franchise is broken. Because they're intelligent and successful (at least in their other pursuits), I'm clinging to the hope that there will come a time when reality trumps misplaced loyalty -- if for no other reason than protecting the value of the franchise. Me? I'd jettison Ventura, Cooper, and KW today, and give the keys to the car to RH (without his egotistical backseat driver). Now, on to the topic of "specific trade ideas." I'm not going to list the various Top-100 guys we should target who are sprinkled throughout prospect lists, but concentrated in the systems of a few teams. Others have done that at length. Instead, my contribution today is simply my own view (shared by others -- very little is original here) of big-picture philosophy. More than a few of us have criticized Sox management of either lacking a coherent overall philosophy and/or failing to properly execute on a philosophy (if they actually have one). For your consideration: First time in ages the Sox are in the driver's seat for all sorts of possible deals. If we're going to sell, then MAXIMIZE this rare opportunity. In an era of sky high prices for a limited pool of Top-20 pitchers, we have a Top-5 guy and a Top 12-15 guy (I'm a huge Q fan), BOTH with way below market price tags and control. Are you kidding? That's gold. Please Rick, treat it as gold. Create an auction environment. Make sure all of baseball understands we're expecting to be blown away because we don't have to trade either of these guys (and not to you ... Red Sox or Dodgers or Rangers or Astros). And Rick, please -- for once, we're not going to be the ones throwing in additional sweeteners to make the deal. THEY pay or we don't play. Recognize WHO would pay the steepest price for a Sale or a Q and make them pay! For instance, we all talk about how the wealthy teams can take on Sale or Q without blinking. That's true, but it essentially trades just the star player, and not the star player PLUS his insanely below market contract. A team like the Pirates want and frankly NEED a Sale (+ contract) or Q (+ contract) to survive. Accordingly, there is every reason to suspect that in the end they'll pay the most (and they do have a system which will allow for that). Notice I haven't mentioned the Schlubs. Count me in among those who would only deal with the Cubs if they were literally the last team in all of baseball. And they're not. There are at least 5-6 teams who could provide the same or better return than the Cubs. Do you want Sale or Q pitching for THEM and helping them to achieve something that would sicken many of us? I sure don't, nor do we need to do so since there are so many other alternatives. We also have a solid and fairly priced closer at a market price. Great value in Robertson to the rich kids on the block. You know the Red Sox would pay to have him as a temporary closer and then a top-tier 8th inning guy (and wouldn't be phased by the price tag). Others might too. Want him? Then pay good value -- not fair value, GOOD value! Above that threshold, best offer takes home the prize. Frazier? Big value there too for a team that needs a bopper in this power-starved era. 1-2/5 seasons of power and decent defense has value. Melky? Professional hitter having a really good year. With control for another year at a reasonable contract. Someone will want him and should pay. I think the philosophy is to construct separate deals for the big-5 (with just a remote possibility of packaging Robertson in a blockbuster of blockbusters starter plus Robertson deal). Trade all 5 and the Sox should net an overall haul that might include a half-dozen Top-50 prospects, another half-dozen 51-100 guys, and likely a young stud or two just removed from that status (Betts, JBJ, Mazara -- no way the Bosox trade Bogaerts). Smoke clears and the Sox have a couple of young stud regulars we could be excited about (position players please, since we're curiously horrible in developing our own), plus 10-12 new super prospects who would likely ALL be in our top-15. Key is to be professional and closed mouth about what we're doing. Plug the leaks. Negotiate all these deals separately and simultaneously. Announce a flurry of closed deals at the same time before the rest of the teams see what you've done en masse! This CAN be done and it should be done (even if we've never managed to execute on this before). Use a sweetener -- I'm talking about guys like Duke and Jennings (for heaven's sake, no throw-ins like Fulmer or Adams, but feel free to throw-in a Coats or a Sanchez) -- ONLY to close a super-deal. For once, we should resist having to sweeten. Let the bidders do it! Intentionally flogging this horse one last time ... for ONCE we're holding some valuable cards -- an Ace (!) in Sale, a King in Quintana, and various other cards of value. It's go-time, Rick. Don't blow it. Act like your job is on the line. It is (and should be)! Edited July 25, 2016 by CyAcosta41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrlesque Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Sale + Robertson for Betts, Moncada, Benintendi and Ball. Plugs three major league holes in 2017. It's a rebuilding move, but not a total tear-down job, which is much riskier and the Sox shy away from anyway. Does Boston make that trade? I don't think so, but that's about the only one I can think of that would recoup full value for Sale. I wouldn't settle for anything less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Sale deal will be an offseason deal IMO. Don't see DD parting with Betts midseason. Sale to Boston starts with Betts or JBJ. Q to Boston starts with Moncada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Quintana and Robertson to Boston for Benintendi, Devers, Swihart, and Kopech is fair for both teams with BoSox paying DRob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 02:08 PM) Quintana and Robertson to Boston for Benintendi, Devers, Swihart, and Kopech is fair for both teams with BoSox paying DRob. I'm going to be salty if we can't get Moncada from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 My specific plan Sale and Robertson to the Red Sox for Rodriguez, Swihart, Moncada, Devers, Benintendi, and Kopech. Quintana and Duke to the Dodgers for Urias, Verdugo, Holmes and Bellinger. Melky to the Giants for Beede and Crick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 (edited) Just a thought, but if you trade Sale or Q, does that make the value of the other go up as one pitcher is off the market? Edited July 24, 2016 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jul 24, 2016 -> 03:16 PM) I'm going to be salty if we can't get Moncada from them. Benintendi is a capable headliner. Would be a great get for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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