Zack Burdi not coming to Chicago this season

[southsider2k5]

Burdi's camp was caught off guard by the call up to Charlotte. They were expecting him to skip AAA entirely. Still hearing from another in the org to expect Burdi up this year. Personally, I don't see any incentive for the Sox to call up Burdi this year but they have been less concerned with service time stipulations than other orgs. Rodon being the only real exception to memory.

 

I swear the difference between the two was how quickly they signed. Rodon went to the week before the deadline. Burdi was pretty much instant. Burdi gets the call up, Rodon didn't. I really think the Sox use it as a signing incentive.

[Bob Sacamano]

I disagree with this in regards to Rodon, but your last sentence is a very practical potentiality.

 

I think with Rodon the Sox saw a Boras client who they expected to be in their rotation for seven seasons. Given the timing of Rodon's call up, it's pretty obvious the Sox wanted to have ~6.85 years of Rodon instead of ~6.2 or whatever the segmented seasons would come out to. With Burdi, the need to control his service time/salary is much lesser. Rodon was an elite prospect with the best agent. Burdi is a good prospect with mid market agency. If Burdi ends up in pen, his future salaries are not inconsequential but certainly pale in comparison to the nine digit potential Carlos Rodon has on the open market.

 

As far as Burdi's call up, I heard a bit more. The Sox losing Gonzalez and having to call up Ranaudo for a spot start complicates things. Burdi getting called up after his outing tomorrow would make a lot of sense, but after Gonzalez went down, he may be held back a bit solely because of the way the roster breaks down.

 

Plenty of other moves they can make to have both here. DFA Turner and/ or Albers, send down Beck or Kahnle. Lot of guys who can go.

[Bob Sacamano]

I swear the difference between the two was how quickly they signed. Rodon went to the week before the deadline. Burdi was pretty much instant. Burdi gets the call up, Rodon didn't. I really think the Sox use it as a signing incentive.

 

Doesn't help much that Rodon's agent is Boras. There was no way it wasn't going to last until the deadline to sign. We all knew that.

Edited August 15, 2016 by soxfan2014

[southsider2k5]

Doesn't help much that Rodon' agent is Boras. There was no way it wasn't going to last until the deadline to sign. We all knew that.

 

And I really think he lost a year of free agency because of it.

[Whisox05]

1 inning, 1bb, 3 ks sofar. Still pitching

[Kalapse]

I really have little problem with him being called up this year, those who talk about "starting his clock" I'm not sure know what that means.

[Whisox05]

Final line for tonight. 2 innings, 2 hits, 1 bb, 5 ks and the save

Edited August 17, 2016 by WhiteSoxLifer

[GreenSox]

If Williams/Hahn insist on drafting players in the first round to fill relief roles, I have no problem starting the clock.

But poor organizational building, including stuff such as this, is why the Sox are where they are organizationally and with the major league team: hopelessly non-competitive when trying to win.

[Dick Allen]

If Williams/Hahn insist on drafting players in the first round to fill relief roles, I have no problem starting the clock.

But poor organizational building, including stuff such as this, is why the Sox are where they are organizationally and with the major league team: hopelessly non-competitive when trying to win.

Show me how many #26 overall draft picks contributed more than a decent relief pitcher the last 24 years. Nate Jones is about a half a season away from matching all of their WAR totals combined. But keep thinking they should have drafted a first ballot HOFer there.

 

Besides, relievers values are only going higher.

Edited August 17, 2016 by Dick Allen

[Hatchetman]

best guys picked between #25 and #30:

 

Alan Trammell

Mike Trout

George Brett

Mike Schmidt

[Dick Allen]

best guys picked between #25 and #30:

 

Alan Trammell

Mike Trout

George Brett

Mike Schmidt

 

Trout was #25. Burdi was #26. The other guys were drafted in 1976, 1971, and 1971. So 40-45 years ago. If Burdi is a solid relief pitcher, the Sox will have drafted well at #26.

 

[Thad Bosley]

Show me how many #26 overall draft picks contributed more than a decent relief pitcher the last 24 years. Nate Jones is about a half a season away from matching all of their WAR totals combined. But keep thinking they should have drafted a first ballot HOFer there.

 

Besides, relievers values are only going higher.

Noah Syndergaard #38 in 2010

Blake Swihart was #26 in 2011

Joey Gallo #39 in 2012

Aaron Judge #32 in 2013

Michael Kopech #33 in 2014

 

[Quin]

Noah Syndergaard #38 in 2010

Blake Swihart was #26 in 2011

Joey Gallo #39 in 2012

Aaron Judge #32 in 2013

Michael Kopech #33 in 2014

 

I like how he asked for #26 picks and you only gave one.

 

[RockRaines]

If Burdi ends up a closer/set up guy or a starter that plays in the majors its a nice pick by the Sox.

[GreenSox]

Show me how many #26 overall draft picks contributed more than a decent relief pitcher the last 24 years. Nate Jones is about a half a season away from matching all of their WAR totals combined. But keep thinking they should have drafted a first ballot HOFer there.

 

Besides, relievers values are only going higher.

The point is that you don't draft CEILING relief pitchers in the first round. You hope for better...some will work out and others won't. I they don't work out as starters then they can be reliever.

Your logic would field a 60 win team...let's use our first round picks for guys were confident can be relievers and utility infielders...whoopee!

What the Sox lack are impact players. These players must usually be drafted or signed internationally. Williams and Hahn have done a particularly poor job at org building.

 

And let's be honest. Burdi was drafted to help the pen THIS year; Now that even Williams, Hahn and their Ouiji Board have to realize the Sox aren't in it, it's time to develop him as a starter.

Edited August 17, 2016 by GreenSox

[Hatchetman]

There's never been a decent reliever picked at #26 so obviously it was a bad pick.

[Dick Allen]

The point is that you don't draft CEILING relief pitchers in the first round. You hope for better...some will work out and others won't. I they don't work out as starters then they can be reliever.

Your logic would field a 60 win team...let's use our first round picks for guys were confident can be relievers and utility infielders...whoopee!

What the Sox lack are impact players. These players must usually be drafted or signed internationally. Williams and Hahn have done a particularly poor job at org building.

 

And let's be honest. Burdi was drafted to help the pen THIS year; Now that even Williams, Hahn and their Ouiji Board have to realize the Sox aren't in it, it's time to develop him as a starter.

Too bad Courtney Hawkins wasn't available. If the guy can pitch, it's a good pick. The Tigers took Andrew Miller with the #8 pick. He's a reliever. I bet there are a lot of teams drafting 1-26 that year that would have loved to have had him.

[Thad Bosley]

I like how he asked for #26 picks and you only gave one.

I like how I contributed to the salient point that GreenSox was making which is questioning the type of talent we ought to be selecting with the #26 pick, by showing recent picks at either #26 or after the 26th pick.

[Dick Allen]

There's never been a decent reliever picked at #26 so obviously it was a bad pick.

You are missing the point. #26 picks historically haven't been all that great. Not just the White Sox but league wide. In fact, the White Sox drafted one of the most successful #26 overall picks in the last 25 years, Mark Johnson. Not exactly a guy you can build a team around. If this guy is successful, it's a good pick. Even though he's ONLY a reliever. Like those guys aren't getting more important by the minute these days.

[Dick Allen]

I like how I contributed to the salient point that GreenSox was making which is questioning the type of talent we ought to be selecting with the #26 pick, by showing recent picks at either #26 or after the 26th pick.

So no matter what kind of career he has, if Burdi is a career relief pitcher, you are with GreenSox, it was a terrible pick.

 

 

[Hatchetman]

No I'm not missing the point, just taking your silly argument to a ridiculous end.

 

 

It was reported that scouts thought he could possibly be a starter and even reports that the Sox intended to make him one. Spending a couple years attempting to make him a top of the rotation starter is a much better option with minimal downside. After a year or two if that didn't work just make him a reliever again. The extra innings of experience would serve him well anyway.

[Thad Bosley]

So no matter what kind of career he has, if Burdi is a career relief pitcher, you are with GreenSox, it was a terrible pick.

Nope, I am not of that mind at all. But I do understand where GreenSox is going with all of this, which is that in the first round it does stand to reason that you would be far more motivated to select a talent along the lines of a potential future star position player or starting pitcher, before going after a reliever. So if we passed on a future Syndergaard or an Aaron Judge or Michael Kopech in favor of a reliever, then we better hope said reliever turns out to be closer to the Goose Gossages and Bruce Sutters of the world, or else this pick could look like a missed opportunity.

[southsider2k5]

The point is that you don't draft CEILING relief pitchers in the first round. You hope for better...some will work out and others won't. I they don't work out as starters then they can be reliever.

Your logic would field a 60 win team...let's use our first round picks for guys were confident can be relievers and utility infielders...whoopee!

What the Sox lack are impact players. These players must usually be drafted or signed internationally. Williams and Hahn have done a particularly poor job at org building.

 

And let's be honest. Burdi was drafted to help the pen THIS year; Now that even Williams, Hahn and their Ouiji Board have to realize the Sox aren't in it, it's time to develop him as a starter.

 

Burdi isn't a "ceiling" closer. He has three pitches.

[Bob Sacamano]

No I'm not missing the point, just taking your silly argument to a ridiculous end.

 

 

It was reported that scouts thought he could possibly be a starter and even reports that the Sox intended to make him one. Spending a couple years attempting to make him a top of the rotation starter is a much better option with minimal downside. After a year or two if that didn't work just make him a reliever again. The extra innings of experience would serve him well anyway.

 

Agree. This small sample size should have no barring on his future role.

[southsider2k5]

No I'm not missing the point, just taking your silly argument to a ridiculous end.

 

 

It was reported that scouts thought he could possibly be a starter and even reports that the Sox intended to make him one. Spending a couple years attempting to make him a top of the rotation starter is a much better option with minimal downside. After a year or two if that didn't work just make him a reliever again. The extra innings of experience would serve him well anyway.

 

This is the exact path that the Sox followed with Chris Sale. Just because he is called up as a reliever today, doesn't mean he is a reliever forever.