2016 Presidential Election Thread

[lostfan]

Nah, they hate women more.

They hate ME. I know, I've been paying attention, I know exactly how a large swath of Americans feels about me and the person I am. You know your relationship is over but still sometimes when you hear your spouse say "I don't love you" the words cut you deep.

[Jenksismyhero]

What were people scared about the last 8 years? Obama's secret Muslim allegiance? Christianity being criminalized? Everyone's guns being taken away?

 

The fears about Obama were things people made up. The fears about Trump are his actual campaign promises.

 

Some believed he was a socialist and many believed he would destroy the country financially with entitlements (queue the "Obama is going to pay my mortgage" video).

 

Many thought he would destroy the 2nd amendment.

 

I'm sure there are more but neither happened.

 

[JPN366]

Florida and the Rust Belt (Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin) were the only states that mattered in this election. How is the electoral college different than a popular vote then?

 

In a true popular vote, a Republican vote in Manhattan matters the same as a Democrat vote in Alabama. More importantly, elections would swing on national issues rather than on regional issues.

 

 

Mine and my wife's didn't.

[StrangeSox]

Worst of all, we've completely legitimized trump's white nationalism and regular denigration of women and religious and ethnic minorities.

 

I'm deeply ashamed of my country today.

Edited November 9, 2016 by StrangeSox

[brett05]

Abortion rights will be gutted.

You should not have the right to murder people.

[brett05]

Worst of all, we've completely legitimized trump's white nationalism and regular denigration of women and religious and ethnic minorities.

 

I'm deeply ashamed of my country today.

He's done no such thing.

[bmags]

America hates me. Or maybe it's Americans. I don't know.

 

I mean, I knew that already, but now it's quantifiable.

 

This kills me to read. Been posting with you for over a decade, your post this morning killed me.

[CrimsonWeltall]

He's done no such thing.

 

Where have you been the past year and a half?

[MexSoxFan#1]

Our country has just elected a racist, sexist, homophobic and xenophobic reality tv star as the next president of the United States. Over night the greatest, most powerful nation in the world has become a laughing stock. To anyone out there that is anything other than a straight, white, able bodied, non immigrant, Christian male, my heart goes out to you. This could be a tough 4 years for you.

I was planning on moving back to Mexico around April of next year (regardless of the election), but I might move sooner than that because now it is acceptable to be an openly bigoted person, especially against Mexicans and Mexican Americans. I hope I'm wrong but dark times are ahead.

[lostfan]

This kills me to read. Been posting with you for over a decade, your post this morning killed me.

My usual reaction to bad news in elections is numbness, then I move on from it. I would pay money to be able to not feel anything right now. This is altogether different.

[Flash Tizzle]

You should not have the right to murder people.

Even as a Democratic/Hillary voter it's fair to point out Trump's position is not entirely against abortion. He supports it in cases of rape, incest, and when the health of the mother is at risk. That's a compromise if I've ever seen one for Republicans.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Flash Tizzle

[bmags]

Can't really gather what the f*** is up and down now. Clear dems took shortcuts on policies that were "helping" in macro but not nearly broadly enough.

 

But I also worry that Our news consumption means we'll never think we are doing well. I live in a great neighborhood with great schools. 50 years ago I bet I'd say the country was doing well, after all, look around me.

 

But now I'd say country is fubar. All of the worst things nationally are digested as locally. All flat.

[Balta1701]

Exactly, even with a majority Trump will not just breeze his way through legislation.

 

I understand it sucks losing a game played every four years and for one day, but let's not pack our bags for Canada just yet. We'll get through it

Paul Ryan's Budget can be signed on January 20. A budget does not qualify under the filibuster rules, and they would break them to pass it anyway.

[bmags]

Plus dems would cave anyway.

[Jenksismyhero]

Several of you honestly need to stand back and breathe. I'm surprised reputable posters are questioning how in the world they'll raise their children during his presidency, or predicting some sort of apocalyptic scenario where this country implodes from within. I honestly see a lot of the post Cubs World Series, doom and gloom for our White Sox type of mentality here. Listen, our candidate lost; we need to accept it, stop whining, and learn from our mistakes. Looking back now it's a wonder we all didn't see it coming.

 

I voted for Clinton because overall I was more in line with her political values and aspirations. However, I'd never consider myself a staunch, vote Democrat blindly down the ballot type of person. There were several points I agreed with Trump, but not enough to make up for his character flaws. What astonished me through all of this is the invincibility of Trump. Nothing could take this man down -- not even his own political party! All the video recordings, comments, soundbites only reinforced his position as an outsider. What I would perceive as a detriment (no political experience, playboy lifestyle, ridiculous comments) the general public viewed as the model for anti-establishment. His opponent? The epitome of the establishment; a continuation of everything as it is with Obama. A woman submerged in politics and incapable of giving a heartfelt smile.

 

One of Clinton's downfall, as MSF mentioned, was not representing the middle class. Categorizing Trump's voting base as "deplorables" and constantly harping on about how homophobic, xenophobic, racist he is obviously wasn't the right strategy. For her, nothing would have worked because she was a TERRIBLE candidate. It was believed the media shamelessly promoted her, the DNC was rigged, her private server mess, and let's not forget about her 9/11 memorial Zombie walk. it was all just too much for voters to overcome. Sanders voters weren't supportive, Minority voters weren't enthuastic about her, and those undecided either leaned towards Trump or didn't vote

 

What's really sad is Trump, through all his ridiculousness, energized the Republican voters. He was the creation of every stereotype come to life, and no one took him setiously until it was too late. As if some kid wished upon a star and created him one night 70 years ago for this purpose. We had to rely on Westworld Hillary.....one of the oldest hosts in the park.

 

Good post.

[Steve9347]

I know it's corny to bring up your kids when you talk about politics, but I told my son this morning about the election after he got dressed for school and the kid broke out into tears. That really caught me off guard. I'll have you know that neither me nor my wife talks to him about politics, he just had a bad feeling from the hostile vibe he saw from Trump, these are his own feelings. Now he's scared because he thinks people are going to be ugly and hate each other. I'm not naive, I never thought I'd be able to shield him from that, in fact I was really trying to do the opposite.

 

I am not a person who cries often unless someone dies but when he cried, I started to cry too. I wasn't really ready for his reaction and I didn't know what to say to him. I just said "come on buddy, give me a hug, you're gonna be ok." I'm gonna be fine, I'm a hardened combat veteran, but that was soul-crushing. That broke my spirit and there's no fight in me right now.

 

I guess if there's a silver lining to that, it's that the lessons I try to push on my son about treating other people as equals, with respect, dignity, compassion, empathy, etc. are sinking in.

You've got a wonderful kid there. Everything will be ok. In the end, I don't think that much will change. Part of me hopes that Trump, now that he has it, truly takes to the position and represents himself properly. We'll see.

[Jenksismyhero]

God what i wouldn't give to hear Hillary's call to the Donald conceding the election.

[GoSox05]

Trump playing on the NAFTA and other trade agreements with jobs leaving the country thing ended up being really effective. Especially in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. It's one of the things that Bernie Sanders brought up as well and why he probably ended up winning two of the three states in the primary.

 

Now I don't think for one second Trump actually gives a s*** about those people or will do anything to trade agreements, but he knew how to push that button.

[Steve9347]

They hate ME. I know, I've been paying attention, I know exactly how a large swath of Americans feels about me and the person I am. You know your relationship is over but still sometimes when you hear your spouse say "I don't love you" the words cut you deep.

A large swath of Americans doesn't hate you as well.

[Panerista]

This whole debacle is requiring be to put a whole lot more faith in Paul Ryan. I don't often agree with him, but he has his head on straight and could potentially take the edge off Trump.

 

Problem is, some outlets are calling for Ryan to step down, which would be a problem.

[brett05]

Where have you been the past year and a half?

Watching some take comments way out of context. And where have you been?

[Harry Chappas]

This whole debacle is requiring be to put a whole lot more faith in Paul Ryan. I don't often agree with him, but he has his head on straight and could potentially take the edge off Trump.

 

Problem is, some outlets are calling for Ryan to step down, which would be a problem.

 

Paul Ryan could be the most powerful man in America, highly doubt he is going anywhere.

[Dick Allen]

If most if not all of Trump's promises like a wall, throwing 11 million illegals out, high paying jobs for uneducated people with no skills, while paying little taxes, don't come to fruition, and just turn into the lies he's been spewing for ironically 30 years about himself, how long before the natives turn on him?

 

 

Another scary thing, Rudy Guilianni as Attorney General. He's as nuts as Trump.

 

 

I just wonder what the deal is with Pence. Didn't the Trump campaign basically offer Kasich the Presidency without the title if he joined the ticket? Pence may have received the same deal, and he's scary too.

Edited November 9, 2016 by Dick Allen

[Balta1701]

If most if not all of Trump's promises like a wall, throwing 11 million illegals out, high paying jobs for uneducated people with no skills, while paying little taxes, don't come to fruition, and just turn into the lies he's been spewing for ironically 30 years about himself, how long before the natives turn on him?

 

 

Another scary thing, Rudy Guilianni as Attorney General. He's as nuts as Trump.

 

 

I just wonder what the deal is with Pence. Didn't the Trump campaign basically offer Kasich the Presidency without the title if he joined the ticket? Pence may have received the same deal, and he's scary too.

I know Texas is going to pass a bathroom bill in a few months, but I'm betting the Republicans will take it nationwide.

[Panerista]

Paul Ryan could be the most powerful man in America, highly doubt he is going anywhere.

He shattered all kinds of campaign funds records. I'm inclined to agree with you.