southsider2k5 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 George Ofman16 mins · TwitterHearing Whitesox attempt to trade David Robertson not going very well. Plenty of time, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Then hold onto him and hope he rebuilds his value by the deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 06:17 PM) Then hold onto him and hope he rebuilds his value by the deadline. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 You have to wait until Chapman and Jensen sign, then see if somebody panics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 07:10 PM) George Ofman16 mins · TwitterHearing Whitesox attempt to trade David Robertson not going very well. Plenty of time, though. I kinda take this guy with a grain of salt. That saying teams are probably going to go for the elites of chapman, jansen, and melancon first. Really a thin market for closers. Robertson may get more interest once those guys sign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Can we please change the title? It seems a bit misleading...initially I thought maybe there was some loophole or something preventing them from moving him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 No big deal. If someone makes a decent offer then take it, otherwise keep him & see if he recovers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 06:10 PM) George Ofman16 mins · TwitterHearing Whitesox attempt to trade David Robertson not going very well. Plenty of time, though. Info from Cub Boy Ofman, I believe him about as much as Levine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) George Ofman16 mins · TwitterHearing Whitesox attempt to trade David Robertson not going very well. Plenty of time, though. Well ,duh, if it was going well he'd be gone already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Misleading thread title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 (edited) If he doesn't rebound, Hahn is going to be ruing the trade deadline the last couple of years when he had opportunities to dump that contract. Rebuilding teams can't afford to pay elite closer salaries (especially for non-elite performance). For much of the last two seasons, the argument was that his save conversion rate was decent and mostly that his peripherals were impressive or at least looked better than the traditional metrics. But it was obvious over the course of the season that his stuff was just not as crisp...maybe his confidence was shaken a bit in the middle of the season or he was "overused" in the first half, but he nevertheless goes into the offseason (due to the injury) with nobody realistically knowing what to expect in 2017. Someone mentioned that Jansen, Chapman and Melancon being out there complicates his trade market...not only that, but the Royals are sitting on Wade Davis, who's a year away from free agency. Miller's name is coming up a lot in Cleveland, because of their payroll/budget and the absolute haul they could get for him. So until those five situations are clarified, Robertson is likely stuck with the Sox and vice-versa. Edited November 14, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 10:29 PM) If he doesn't rebound, Hahn is going to be ruing the trade deadline the last couple of years when he had opportunities to dump that contract. Rebuilding teams can't afford to pay elite closer salaries (especially for non-elite performance). For much of the last two seasons, the argument was that his save conversion rate was decent and mostly that his peripherals were impressive or at least looked better than the traditional metrics. But it was obvious over the course of the season that his stuff was just not as crisp...maybe his confidence was shaken a bit in the middle of the season, and he goes into the offseason (due to the injury) with nobody realistically knowing what to expect in 2017. Someone mentioned that Jansen, Chapman and Melancon being out there complicates his trade market...not only that, but the Royals are sitting on Wade Davis, who's a year away from free agency. Miller's name is coming up a lot in Cleveland, because of their payroll/budget and the absolute haul they could get for him. So until those five situations are clarified, Robertson is likely stuck with the Sox and vice-versa. Bull. The white sox aren't bankrupt. They have plenty of money to waste on an overpaid closer the next 2 years, and if they move a couple of their movable players they'll have plenty of funds even to sign players if they want. The problem is that they don't have enough money to add the large number of front line players that would be required to even come close to a wild card team - that's where having an overpaid closer (and, FWIW, the draft pick given up for him) actually hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I'll be honest, I'm not sure why the Sox are even wasting their time on a Robertson trade right now. Not only are there too many quality closers available in free agency for him to have a market, but the Sox should be focused on moving their big chips and see if teams are going to pay up. It would be incredibly stupid to move Robertson but hold on to Sale, Quintana, Abreu, Eaton, & Jones. If there isn't a strong market for our elite trade chips, then we should at least make some attempt at competing. I have a bad feeling we're going to get caught in the middle again and only deal Frazier, Melky, & Robertson. Any other front office and I wouldn't be worried, but KW & Hahn have little experience selling. I really hope I'm wrong here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 07:42 PM) I'll be honest, I'm not sure why the Sox are even wasting their time on a Robertson trade right now. Not only are there too many quality closers available in free agency for him to have a market, but the Sox should be focused on moving their big chips and see if teams are going to pay up. It would be incredibly stupid to move Robertson but hold on to Sale, Quintana, Abreu, Eaton, & Jones. If there isn't a strong market for our elite trade chips, then we should at least make some attempt at competing. I have a bad feeling we're going to get caught in the middle again and only deal Frazier, Melky, & Robertson. Any other front office and I wouldn't be worried, but KW & Hahn have little experience selling. I really hope I'm wrong here. Yeah, I was a bit perturbed by this as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 Take this with a grain of salt right now because the market isn't there for him yet. Got to let Chapman and co. sign their deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 14, 2016 Share Posted November 14, 2016 I'm not going to assume Robertson is the only one they are trying to deal right now. Safe to assume they have multiple talks going with multiple teams for multiple players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 14, 2016 -> 03:29 AM) If he doesn't rebound, Hahn is going to be ruing the trade deadline the last couple of years when he had opportunities to dump that contract. Rebuilding teams can't afford to pay elite closer salaries (especially for non-elite performance). For much of the last two seasons, the argument was that his save conversion rate was decent and mostly that his peripherals were impressive or at least looked better than the traditional metrics. But it was obvious over the course of the season that his stuff was just not as crisp...maybe his confidence was shaken a bit in the middle of the season or he was "overused" in the first half, but he nevertheless goes into the offseason (due to the injury) with nobody realistically knowing what to expect in 2017. Someone mentioned that Jansen, Chapman and Melancon being out there complicates his trade market...not only that, but the Royals are sitting on Wade Davis, who's a year away from free agency. Miller's name is coming up a lot in Cleveland, because of their payroll/budget and the absolute haul they could get for him. So until those five situations are clarified, Robertson is likely stuck with the Sox and vice-versa. I think Robertson showed he could rebound. Maybe he stays with the Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Robertson had knee surgery recently didn't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 04:17 PM) Robertson had knee surgery recently didn't he? Yes. It was a cleanup. Said to be ready for spring training Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 A lot of confidence in Robertson here....not from me. If someone is willing to take on the entire contract for any kind of decent prospect I would do it. If not I have a feeling we will be seeing a very mediocre Robertson try and close out games for a very bad team the next couple of seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 15, 2016 Author Share Posted November 15, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 15, 2016 -> 03:18 PM) Yes. It was a cleanup. Said to be ready for spring training I believe they said rehab was like 4 weeks or something to the effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 15, 2016 Share Posted November 15, 2016 Of course, we also heard Austin Jackson would be back in July and Lawrie's situation wasn't career-threatening... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heirdog Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 13, 2016 -> 07:29 PM) I kinda take this guy with a grain of salt. That saying teams are probably going to go for the elites of chapman, jansen, and melancon first. Really a thin market for closers. Robertson may get more interest once those guys sign Exactly. And when these guys get $20+ million per, we get a legit prospect for Robertson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iWiN4PreP Posted November 16, 2016 Share Posted November 16, 2016 With the way that RP is valued right now (note: just check the playoffs) Robertson should hold value. Wait and see how the RP market shapes up, trade him for the best offer. Should net back a decent chip or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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