Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I really think they'll get one of the young "untouchables" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:10 PM) Hahn should tell the Red Sox & Astros the door closes by midnight. Don't give them or the Nationals time to consider other alternatives. Pressure Boston or Houston to top Washington in the next few hours or I say accept this Giolito/Robles offer. Nah, pressure is on Nats to close not Sox. If turner was available it would be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Sale and Robertson to the Nationals. Q and Abreu to Boston. Frazier to LAD. How about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:06 PM) Just not a fan of Giolito. Oh well, clear the big name guys are unavailable I'm not sure how Giolito is not a big name. He was ranked higher as a prospect than all of the guys people are saying are a must in a deal. And Robles is another good year away from being a top five prospect. It seems like this is exactly the type of package people have been asking for all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I'll just the process but I'm not a fan of this honestly. Wanted the headliner to be a position player, so I'm hoping it's what I think it is and that is a ploy to get Boston to cave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (shakes @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:20 AM) I'm not sure how Giolito is not a big name. He was ranked higher as a prospect than all of the guys people are saying are a must in a deal. And Robles is another good year away from being a top five prospect. It seems like this is exactly the type of package people have been asking for all along. Wanted a sure thing offensive player. Package isn't bad though compared to what Braves would give Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Rabbit alluded to this on twitter but what I most regret about it veering away from Red Sox were the devers/kopech/Rodriguez pieces that made it a strong deal up and down. Excited about severino/ etc but much less so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 How long ago was Giolito's Tommy John surgery? That's a bit of a red flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:06 PM) Just not a fan of Giolito. Oh well, clear the big name guys are unavailable Giolito has been considered one of the premier arms in minors for a few years. It seems like there's a prospect fatigue with him, that's affecting what everyone here is thinking. His upside is unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I'll just go with the notion that there are no sure things in these types of trades. I wanted near ready position players, so the Sox didn't have to develop them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 10:23 PM) How long ago was Giolito's Tommy John surgery? That's a bit of a red flag. 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:22 PM) Wanted a sure thing offensive player. Package isn't bad though compared to what Braves would give I hear you but Robles would be at that level soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:23 AM) Rabbit alluded to this on twitter but what I most regret about it veering away from Red Sox were the devers/kopech/Rodriguez pieces that made it a strong deal up and down. Excited about severino/ etc but much less so. Yep was hoping for ERod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Swanson was in single A only a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:24 AM) I hear you but Robles would be at that level soon. Been reading a lot about him last 30 minutes. Pretty damn impressive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:12 PM) Absurd. They're already settling by not getting one of the big name players. There is no need to rush this. This mindset is ridiculous. Giolito was ranked higher than Turner, Bregman, & Benintendi by Baseball America in their mid-season update. Only difference is he's a pitcher and he struggled in his first major league opportunity. And honestly, that's the only reason he's even available. Had he performed as well as those other guys in his cup of coffee he would not be available either. And why Urias is a big name player, but Giolito is not? What am I missing here? And Robles is as good of a second piece as you're going to get. This proposed Nationals offer is far from settling if there are another few quality pieces in the deal. The idea we have to get Bregman or Benintendi or the trade is a epic fail is f***ing stupid. Edited December 6, 2016 by Chicago White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 10:25 PM) Been reading a lot about him last 30 minutes. Pretty damn impressive I him so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:24 PM) I'll just go with the notion that there are no sure things in these types of trades. I wanted near ready position players, so the Sox didn't have to develop them. That's totally reasonable, those supplements will bet top 75 and much less sure things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:23 PM) Rabbit alluded to this on twitter but what I most regret about it veering away from Red Sox were the devers/kopech/Rodriguez pieces that made it a strong deal up and down. Excited about severino/ etc but much less so. Severino really isn't a good prospect. Better than what we have, sure, but not exciting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:25 PM) Swanson was in single A only a few years ago. Considering he got drafted LAST YEAR, that's impressive to make the MLB from single A in a little over a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:26 PM) Severino really isn't a good prospect. Better than what we have, sure, but not exciting Probably profiles at best a platoon, defensive catcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:23 PM) Rabbit alluded to this on twitter but what I most regret about it veering away from Red Sox were the devers/kopech/Rodriguez pieces that made it a strong deal up and down. Excited about severino/ etc but much less so. The Nationals have a lot of those same types of pieces. They don't get as much hype as they aren't in the Boston media market, but as I outlined a few pages ago, they can load up a deal with the best of them. The one spot they don't have as much of is ready made position players, but they are loaded with them at the lower levels of the minors, all of the way through to some big time guys signed out of Latin America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:27 PM) Probably profiles at best a platoon, defensive catcher. Which is what the Sox would need if Collins becomes a bat-only at the position. But that's a lot of if's falling in favor of the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 10:26 PM) That's totally reasonable, those supplements will bet top 75 and much less sure things I'm trying to be reasonable and rational. Also not freaking out because it's likely a leak to up the other offers and it's playing out that way. Although, this does have legs but I think they're trying to get Boston to bite or Houston. I think Boston is the team they want to say "F-it" and relinquish the deal the White Sox want. Just my take on it. I bang the position player drum because the Sox can find the pitching. They found Q, Sale when others passed. Q obviously for other reasons, but Sale slid to the Sox and they trusted their staff and medical team. I think they can find pitching anywhere, so I want as many position players as possible. Particularly, the ones that aren't very far away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:27 PM) Probably profiles at best a platoon, defensive catcher. Supposedly he is the best defensive catcher in the minors. For a team that has given away a lot with bad catchers, there is some charm in fixing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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