chw42 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Giolito's stock really plummeted after he was awful in 4 starts last year. He's got the tools, but who knows if it'll translate well to the Majors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 07:42 PM) Gross if that's the whole deal. No way in hell. When this is over (no matter who Sale goes to ) - it will be a 5 for 1 or 6 for 2 deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:44 PM) Giolito's stock really plummeted after he was awful in 4 starts last year. He's got the tools, but who knows if it'll translate well to the Majors. How does a 21 year old's stock plummet in 4 MLB starts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 No way in hell we only get three pieces for Sale. While I could see Lopez being off limits, I don't think Hahn accepts anything less than three top 100 types, which would make Fedde a must. If he's included, there's plenty of interesting prospects to round out the bottom of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 10:45 PM) How does a 21 year old's stock plummet in 4 MLB starts?? Carson Fulmer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:38 PM) Must be why it's not that close yet. Would imagine the rounding out is only getting discussed now. I would be pissed if the final piece is a low minor league player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Ro Da Don @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:45 AM) How does a 21 year old's stock plummet in 4 MLB starts?? Velocity down and command brutal. Also believe his mechanics were messed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneofthemikes Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I hadn't ever really looked at Giolito's stats before, but I'm not seeing anything in his minor league career that would suggest to me that he's the #3 prospect in baseball especially with his recent dip in velocity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I hate this deal, but I hope they do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:49 PM) Rosenthal said they're negotiating the other pieces. Plural. I'll trust Rosenthal over Bowden. Lopez would be a great piece. Fedde has back of the rotation potential, kieboom would be an interesting young player to add, Ross is a possibility... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:48 PM) I would be pissed if the final piece is a low minor league player We all should be. I have beat the "be reasonable" drum, but no three minor leaguers = Sale. This is a promising framework though. Edit: as we all have been, be skeptical of Bowden. Edited December 6, 2016 by bmags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwill Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I agree that there has to be more to the deal. Maybe Tanner Roark gets thrown into it. But Robles and Giolito are two consensus top 15 prospects. That is a really good place to start. If I was the White Sox, I am totally leaking this deal. It only ups the price from the other teams involved. It certainly is not coming from the Nationals as why would they want that information getting out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (b-Rye @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:48 PM) Carson Fulmer? How did Carson Fulmer's stock plummet at the MLB level in 8 games/no starts? The guy turned in a 4.63 ERA between AA-AAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Gut feeling is Boston swoops in tomorrow morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:44 PM) And still none of what you said changes that their best piece is still Turner. The Sox are not the ones who would be closing off and rushing negotiations when they fail to include that. Trea Turner is a 5 WAR position player that they need on their big league team. He was an unrealistic get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMule2545 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:50 PM) Velocity down and command brutal. Also believe his mechanics were messed up Regardless of the outcome or what happened, that is a miniscule sample size to make an elite prospect's stock plummet at the ripe age of 21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:49 PM) Rosenthal said they're negotiating the other pieces. Plural. I'll trust Rosenthal over Bowden. Fedde, Lopez, or Ross. 2 out of 3 have to be the 3rd and 4th piece to me. I'll even add a reliever like Robertson, Jennings, Petricka. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:49 PM) Rosenthal said they're negotiating the other pieces. Plural. I'll trust Rosenthal over Bowden. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YonderLaroche Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 A 16th pick from 2012 and a foreign amateur free agent for a 3 years of sale is a massive fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Why are the Nats eating dinner at 11pm eastern time? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:44 PM) Giolito's stock really plummeted after he was awful in 4 starts last year. He's got the tools, but who knows if it'll translate well to the Majors. Realistically the kid has pitched 37 IP at AAA, and 21 at MLB. He was disgusting at AAA, and struggled with control at MLB. It is kind of similar to the arc that Rodon took after he got to the high minors. Rodon also had the same control and repeatability problems, so it isn't surprising to see a guy with a similar ceiling and stuff have the same struggles. The kid has an ace top. Not many pitchers can say that, especially after they are have gotten this far. If the Nationals are putting that high of stock into that, and that is why he is available, well then the next question is, do you trust your scouts, and your ability to develop front line pitchers? For my two cents if Don Cooper looks at the guy and sees a super start pitcher, that is all I need to hear. Then you move on to Robles, and filling in the deal behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (b-Rye @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:54 PM) A 16th pick from 2012 and a foreign amateur free agent for a 3 years of sale is a massive fail. for the 13th pick of 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Doom and gloom hyperbole going on. Love it. It fuels me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (b-Rye @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:54 PM) A 16th pick from 2012 and a foreign amateur free agent for a 3 years of sale is a massive fail. Because that's how you evaluate a deal. OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (b-Rye @ Dec 5, 2016 -> 09:54 PM) A 16th pick from 2012 and a foreign amateur free agent for a 3 years of sale is a massive fail. If he doesn't get hurt, he is probably the #1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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