CWSpalehoseCWS Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 04:01 PM) Also lord knows that the Charlotte Knights deserve it. If you mean they definitely deserve to clinch a playoff spot only to have lose their best player in the middle of the season, then sure, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 04:26 PM) Moncada #1, Kopech #30, No idea if that is latest up to date but would not be shocked if latest AFL run will lead to top 20 prospects for Kopech in the March rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 04:36 PM) If you mean they definitely deserve to clinch a playoff spot only to have lose their best player in the middle of the season, then sure, haha. Honestly even "Charlotte fans getting to watch more than garbage for just 1 month" is good enough for me. They nearly made playoffs at like 15 under .500 last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 04:36 PM) No idea if that is latest up to date but would not be shocked if latest AFL run will lead to top 20 prospects for Kopech in the March rankings. I think they just bumped him a few dozen spots. He was in the 60s when I looked after the trade went down. No one else seems to have moved much though. Weird. Edited December 6, 2016 by bighurt574 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Per Rick, Moncada will start in AAA. Not a ready product. Really good stuff from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I'll say Kopech's delivery looks a lot less high stress than that guy we just traded, but I'll defer to ptatc on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 06:53 PM) Per Rick, Moncada will start in AAA. Not a ready product. Really good stuff from him. Thank God. There's no reason not to extend to the 7th year of guaranteed control. Hell, even if he was "ready" (like Byrant) you hold him out the extra two months that's just how you play it from the club's long term perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 05:00 PM) Thank God. There's no reason not to extend to the 7th year of guaranteed control. Hell, even if he was "ready" (like Byrant) you hold him out the extra two months that's just how you play it from the club's long term perspective. Yeah, it's something like May 15th. A little too inside baseball for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 05:00 PM) Thank God. There's no reason not to extend to the 7th year of guaranteed control. Hell, even if he was "ready" (like Byrant) you hold him out the extra two months that's just how you play it from the club's long term perspective. If holding him out for two months, even if ready, keeps us from the playoffs this year, then apparently Rick is some sort of wizard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 05:03 PM) If holding him out for two months, even if ready, keeps us from the playoffs this year, then apparently Rick is some sort of wizard. No worries. Moncada won't be the difference between the playoffs or not this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Joe Sheehan is enamored with this package for Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1st time a #1 prospect has been traded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 07:10 PM) 1st time a #1 prospect has been traded? That guy Marte on the Braves got traded but he was widely considered at the time (and certainly in hindsight) to be one of the weakest #1 overall prospects ever. From what I'm reading about Moncada, physically he's a once a decade talent and skill wise has more than enough to back up his #1 overall rating by some sites. He's legit. He needs to pan out. Hopefully not even the Sox player development team can screw this one up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLsouthsider Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Eff it. Sell everything that isn't nailed down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Got married in Vegas this past weekend checked my phone as i was boarding the plane back to Chicago this morning expecting to land and see Sale traded to the nats this is a pleasant surprise. I felt the deal was one prospect light then i realized the sox are not paying a dime of the 31.5mil remaining to Yoan and it made sense, that 31.5mil value is about equal to Groome's. Great start to the rebuild now don't half ass it and burn it all down including Eaton, hes at his peak value and if we're going to watch the kids play he has no place on this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 04:54 PM) I'll say Kopech's delivery looks a lot less high stress than that guy we just traded, but I'll defer to ptatc on that He's got that classic hard thrower mechanics. I like his much more than others we've seen lately. The only thing I would really change is that his stride lands too far to the throwing arm side and that's going to lead to balance issues and command inconsistencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:15 PM) He's got that classic hard thrower mechanics. I like his much more than others we've seen lately. The only thing I would really change is that his stride lands too far to the throwing arm side and that's going to lead to balance issues and command inconsistencies. That is mentioned in the scouting reports we've seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCsoxfan Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Keith Law is GLOWING in talking about the White Sox return. Here's part of what he said on Kopech "He missed some time in 2015 after a PED suspension, and then missed the start of 2016 after breaking his hand in an altercation with a teammate where, according to folks I’ve asked who know the full story, he was doing the right thing with the wrong result. When I saw him in October, I thought he was a potential ace who could have three plus pitches, and that’s before he went to the White Sox, who have a pretty good track record in getting the most out of athletic starters." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Dan Hayes @CSNHayes 56m56 minutes ago Andrew Benintendi was never an option for #WhiteSox. Yoan Moncada was added later in process. Bregman, T. Turner never offered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Apparently the 31 million dollar signing bonus, no matter how spread out, would have always been paid by the Red Sox, so they didn't really "pitch in" another 11 million or so. That's my understanding at least after reading larry's post at SSS. I don't think you can "trade" a signing bonus if that makes any sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 07:22 PM) Dan Hayes @CSNHayes 56m56 minutes ago Andrew Benintendi was never an option for #WhiteSox. Yoan Moncada was added later in process. Bregman, T. Turner never offered. If this is true, and we have no reason to doubt it, then they did well to get the deal done with Boston today. There is an opportunity cost here and they avoided it. Now they can focus on the other dominoes behind Sale and keep moving in the rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:22 PM) Apparently the 31 million dollar signing bonus, no matter how spread out, would have always been paid by the Red Sox, so they didn't really "pitch in" another 11 million or so. That's my understanding at least after reading larry's post at SSS. I don't think you can "trade" a signing bonus if that makes any sense. Yeah, we talked about Moncada a lot in the weeks leading up to the Winter Meetings and I don't think we ever assumed anything other than the Red Sox would be paling that money. In fact, some folks thought that is the very reason they thought the Red Sox would never deal Moncada. Not until I saw the posts and tweets saying that the Red Sox were doing us some favor by picking up money did I think otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:24 PM) If this is true, and we have no reason to doubt it, then they did well to get the deal done with Boston today. There is an opportunity cost here and they avoided it. Now they can focus on the other dominoes behind Sale and keep moving in the rebuild. With Hahn's presser, and this tweet, it makes it seem as though Kopech was offered initially, and then perhaps the Nats offer was enough to force the Red Sox into conceding Moncada. Not sure that I believe this is the order it went in though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 07:27 PM) With Hahn's presser, and this tweet, it makes it seem as though Kopech was offered initially, and then perhaps the Nats offer was enough to force the Red Sox into conceding Moncada. Not sure that I believe this is the order it went in though. It certainly appears that the Sox finally managed to leverage one team's interest to get a better deal from another. It's not an overpay from the Red Sox but IMO it would have been an underpay from the Nationals if the rumor discussed last night was their best offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Kopech @MichaelKopech5 3h3 hours ago New team, same dream. Anyone know if can bleach red socks to turn them white? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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