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I couldn't find the old thread where we made the predictions for the off season. Now that things have died down a bit, and Sale and Eaton being traded.

 

Who else do you think will be traded? Where are those players going? What free agent signings do the Sox make to fill the MLB holes?

 

SP Jose Quintana and RP Dan Jennings to the Rockies for SS Brendan Rodgers, SP Riley Pint, OF Raimel Tapia, and 3B Tyler Nelvin

 

RP David Robertson to the Nationals for C Pedro Severino and OF Juan Soto

 

3B Todd Frazier to the Cardinals (miss out on Justin Turner) for 3B Jhonny Peralta (potential flip at the deadline, 1 year remaining), C Carson Kelly, and SP Dakota Hudson

 

OF Melky Cabrera and 2B/3B Brett Lawrie go at the deadline

 

FA Signings:

 

SP Derek Holland 1 year/3 million

SP Jhoulys Chacin 1 year/6 million

SP Tom Milone Minor League contract

RP Drew Storen 1 year/5 million

RP Brian Matusz 1 year/2 million

OF Colby Rasmus 1 year/8 million

 

Thoughts? And your ideas?

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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 04:54 PM)
I couldn't find the old thread where we made the predictions for the off season. Now that things have died down a bit, and Sale and Eaton being traded.

 

Who else do you think will be traded? Where are those players going? What free agent signings do the Sox make to fill the MLB holes?

 

SP Jose Quintana and RP Dan Jennings to the Rockies for SS Brendan Rodgers, SP Riley Pint, OF Raimel Tapia, and 3B Tyler Nelvin

 

RP David Robertson to the Nationals for C Pedro Severino and OF Juan Soto

 

3B Todd Frazier to the Cardinals (miss out on Justin Turner) for 3B Jhonny Peralta (potential flip at the deadline, 1 year remaining), C Carson Kelly, and SP Dakota Hudson

 

OF Melky Cabrera and 2B/3B Brett Lawrie go at the deadline

 

FA Signings:

 

SP Derek Holland 1 year/3 million

SP Jhoulys Chacin 1 year/6 million

SP Tom Milone Minor League contract

RP Drew Storen 1 year/5 million

RP Brian Matusz 1 year/2 million

OF Colby Rasmus 1 year/8 million

 

Thoughts? And your ideas?

If all this poop when down - I'd be a very happy man.

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Q to Houston for Martes/Tucker/Reed/Stubbs

 

Sox sign

 

Rasmus

Holland

 

By the All Star break the Sox lineup looks like this

 

Cf Tilson

SS Anderson

1B Abreu

3B Frazier

LF Melky

DH Reed

2B Moncada

RF Rasmus

C Who the hell knows probably Smith

 

Ps (no order)

 

P Rodon

P Fulmer

P Giolito

P Reynaldo Lopez

P Holland

 

CL Robertson

Set up Burdi

Late inning Jones

Edited by Moncada

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I have one dumb one but I like idea of Colabello as a lottery ticket mercenary to flip if he regains his mojo.

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What's the asking price for Pedro Alvarez right now, or did he already sign?

Wonder if there's any interest in a Chris Carter reunion? Lefties, generally, have more value from a hitting perspective.

 

 

I don't know if they can "time" it to sell high on Robertson in June/July and then give the closer's job to Jones and have him increase his value the 2nd half of the season or into next early next year as Burdi perhaps works into that position (depending on how the starting experiment goes) by mid-season 2018.

 

Guess it depends on how strongly they believe in Jones' ability as a closer...if they can leverage that for even a higher return or if he's better suited to his 7th/8th inning set-up role.

 

Then you also have to consider the "value" of shaving $6-8 million more off the remaining money owed to Robertson by trading him now.

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I think Carter will sign for about what he would have made on Arb ($9 mill or more) which may be too rich for us.

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I'd go $5-7 million for a Carter or Alvarez, but would rather spend that money on someone like Rasmus that could competently play the field.

 

Would also like to firm up that outfield by making sure Cabrera and Avi Garcia don't undermine the confidence of the young pitching staff too much. Not sure they would consider Austin Jackson again, but someone similar.

 

With Tilson, we just don't know much about where his hamstring injury is right now...whether it's going to be fine or he'll lose a step or two, which would dent his value to the Sox defensively.

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Q to Houston for Tucker, Reed, Paulino and Teoscar Hernandez

 

Frazier to Dodgers for Brock Stewart and Yusniel Diaz

 

Robertson to Pirates for Yeudy Garcia and Kevin Kramer

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 10:37 PM)
I'd go $5-7 million for a Carter or Alvarez, but would rather spend that money on someone like Rasmus that could competently play the field.

 

Would also like to firm up that outfield by making sure Cabrera and Avi Garcia don't undermine the confidence of the young pitching staff too much. Not sure they would consider Austin Jackson again, but someone similar.

 

With Tilson, we just don't know much about where his hamstring injury is right now...whether it's going to be fine or he'll lose a step or two, which would dent his value to the Sox defensively.

I don't see why Alvarez and Rasmus both wouldn't be options on 1 year deals. That's basically the same amount of money we just traded away.

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I love the idea of signing Mr Handsome, Colby Rasmus. He seems like a good bet to bounce back and have a decent year. He'll never strike out less than ~30% but he can field and has some power. Good candidate to flip. He might not want to play for Nadir Sox though.

 

I think Q does end up going to Houston, although I could see the Cardinals being strong bidders. I think once Turner signs with the Dodgers, Dombrowski and Hahn hook up again to send Frazier to Boston.

 

Robertson goes to the Nats I think. Not sure what his market looks like.

 

CF Tilson

RF Coats/Avi

LF Rasmus

DH Melky

1B Abreu

3B Lawrie

SS Anderson

2B C. Sanchez

C Hanigan or trade

 

IF Saladino

OF May or Engel

C Narvaez

 

Rodon

Gonzalez

Shields

Covey

Holland or trade

 

Jones

Jennings

Putnam

Petricka

Brian Clark

Ynoa

Minaya/Kahnle

 

That should be good for 60 wins or so, accounting for any deadline moves.

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QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 07:58 PM)
I love the idea of signing Mr Handsome, Colby Rasmus. He seems like a good bet to bounce back and have a decent year. He'll never strike out less than ~30% but he can field and has some power. Good candidate to flip. He might not want to play for Nadir Sox though.

 

I think Q does end up going to Houston, although I could see the Cardinals being strong bidders. I think once Turner signs with the Dodgers, Dombrowski and Hahn hook up again to send Frazier to Boston.

 

Robertson goes to the Nats I think. Not sure what his market looks like.

 

CF Tilson

RF Coats/Avi

LF Rasmus

DH Melky

1B Abreu

3B Lawrie

SS Anderson

2B C. Sanchez

C Hanigan or trade

 

IF Saladino

OF May or Engel

C Narvaez

 

Rodon

Gonzalez

Shields

Covey

Holland or trade

 

Jones

Jennings

Putnam

Petricka

Brian Clark

Ynoa

Minaya/Kahnle

 

That should be good for 60 wins or so, accounting for any deadline moves.

It's pretty awesome when a 102 loss season sounds amazing. I really wouldn't mind it if we were the worst team in baseball for 2017 and 2018. Doubtful thou.

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QUOTE (daggins @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 09:58 PM)
I love the idea of signing Mr Handsome, Colby Rasmus. He seems like a good bet to bounce back and have a decent year. He'll never strike out less than ~30% but he can field and has some power. Good candidate to flip. He might not want to play for Nadir Sox though.

 

I think Q does end up going to Houston, although I could see the Cardinals being strong bidders. I think once Turner signs with the Dodgers, Dombrowski and Hahn hook up again to send Frazier to Boston.

 

Robertson goes to the Nats I think. Not sure what his market looks like.

 

CF Tilson

RF Coats/Avi

LF Rasmus

DH Melky

1B Abreu

3B Lawrie

SS Anderson

2B C. Sanchez

C Hanigan or trade

 

IF Saladino

OF May or Engel

C Narvaez

 

Rodon

Gonzalez

Shields

Covey

Holland or trade

 

Jones

Jennings

Putnam

Petricka

Brian Clark

Ynoa

Minaya/Kahnle

 

That should be good for 60 wins or so, accounting for any deadline moves.

 

I think you mean Holland as a reliever, if Robertson is gone?

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 11:14 PM)
I think you mean Holland as a reliever, if Robertson is gone?

 

Derek, not Greg, although he wouldn't be the worst idea either. Duelin' Hollands.

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I like anderson, but think we can get a higher ceiling ss like rosario from the mets. Here is what I would like to do assuming houston keeps hoarding and the pirates wont give up glasnow or meadows.

 

Anderson, Frazier to NYM for Rosario, nimmo, wright ( frees up a lot of money for them)

 

Abreu, Jones to COL for Rodgers, pint, fliers

 

Quintana, Robertson to LAD for Bellinger, DeLeon, Verdugo, Calhoun

 

 

 

 

 

 

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QUOTE (fredmanrique @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 10:23 PM)
I like anderson, but think we can get a higher ceiling ss like rosario from the mets. Here is what I would like to do assuming houston keeps hoarding and the pirates wont give up glasnow or meadows.

Anderson, Frazier to NYM for Rosario, nimmo, wright ( frees up a lot of money for them)

 

Abreu, Jones to COL for Rodgers, pint, fliers

 

Quintana, Robertson to LAD for Bellinger, DeLeon, Verdugo, Calhoun

 

Oh come on

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Melky & MiGo to the Mariners for Luiz Gohara & Brayan Hernandez

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QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 12:54 AM)
I couldn't find the old thread where we made the predictions for the off season. Now that things have died down a bit, and Sale and Eaton being traded.

 

Who else do you think will be traded? Where are those players going? What free agent signings do the Sox make to fill the MLB holes?

 

SP Jose Quintana and RP Dan Jennings to the Rockies for SS Brendan Rodgers, SP Riley Pint, OF Raimel Tapia, and 3B Tyler Nelvin

 

RP David Robertson to the Nationals for C Pedro Severino and OF Juan Soto

 

3B Todd Frazier to the Cardinals (miss out on Justin Turner) for 3B Jhonny Peralta (potential flip at the deadline, 1 year remaining), C Carson Kelly, and SP Dakota Hudson

 

OF Melky Cabrera and 2B/3B Brett Lawrie go at the deadline

 

FA Signings:

 

SP Derek Holland 1 year/3 million

SP Jhoulys Chacin 1 year/6 million

SP Tom Milone Minor League contract

RP Drew Storen 1 year/5 million

RP Brian Matusz 1 year/2 million

OF Colby Rasmus 1 year/8 million

 

Thoughts? And your ideas?

 

Why would we keep Melky and Lawrie if all those deals go down? There'd be no reason to play either of them as our team would win about 50 games max. I mean we'd just dump them for scraps rather than play them after all the trades you suggest go down to go with the trade we already made.

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I actually think that things may slow down for the Sox. Obviously they can trade Q whenever but only when they feel the return is right. I think that guys like Frazier/Robertson/Melky will be dealt in time but quite possibly not until the trade deadline and that might be the best time to trade these guys to get the best value. It's not like teams forgot that Frazier and Robertson didn't have the best of years last year so their value might be down now and with no real expectations for the big league club this year, the Sox might as well let them try and rebuild some value.

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I would be fine with Frazier and Robertson staying until the deadline to have them rebuild their stock. If Frazier can get back to his career norms you could get a decent haul.

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No matter what we trade Quintana for, it will end up being considered by fans and ESPN/MLB Network as just as big of a steal as the Adam Eaton trade was.

 

I say this because Q and Eaton are underrated players due to playing for the lowly White Sox. People think of them as average players. So when we end up getting someone's top prospects again, people will flip their lids thinking we got all that for a "solid #3 starter".

 

Just you watch.

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QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 12:08 AM)
No matter what we trade Quintana for, it will end up being considered by fans and ESPN/MLB Network as just as big of a steal as the Adam Eaton trade was.

 

I say this because Q and Eaton are underrated players due to playing for the lowly White Sox. People think of them as average players. So when we end up getting someone's top prospects again, people will flip their lids thinking we got all that for a "solid #3 starter".

 

Just you watch.

Bring it on

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QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 11, 2016 -> 10:49 PM)
Melky & MiGo to the Mariners for Luiz Gohara & Brayan Hernandez

 

Gonzalez quietly threw a pretty decent 135 innings for the White Sox in 2016 with a very respectable 3.71 FIP

 

By no means is he a part of the future, right now he is penciled in for a rotation spot and him and Melky combined should be able to do a bit better than Gohara and Hernandez

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with turner likely going back to the dodgers Frazier's market appears to be the cards, mets and rockies. I doubt the dodgers want to push much further past the 220m that Olney is reporting. Jansen is likely to get an AAV of 15-17mil Robertson + Jones and Lawrie as a throw in to play 2B could go a long way in securing the back end of their pen and not pushing them to much further into the tax, especially if the sox pick up some money on Robertson to bring back an even nicer package.

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QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 12, 2016 -> 08:25 AM)
Gonzalez quietly threw a pretty decent 135 innings for the White Sox in 2016 with a very respectable 3.71 FIP

 

By no means is he a part of the future, right now he is penciled in for a rotation spot and him and Melky combined should be able to do a bit better than Gohara and Hernandez

I agree Gonzalez was a pleasant surprise putting up 2.7 fWAR last year he has some surplus value but melky is likely being overpaid slightly so unless the sox pay some or most of his salary (which they should do regardless since its dead money on a non contending team) i don't think we're able to land the likes of O'Neill.

 

Gohara and Hernandez would be solid gets, interesting lottery tickets with a lot of upside that are very young and have already made the transition to playing in the states. They both also line up with the sox time line of '19/20

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In terms of what is cheap right now, I'd like to see the team target power bats, in anticipation of that market starting to swing the other way again.

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