2017 Democratic Thread

[StrangeSox]

BJ jokes may be inappropriate, but sexual assault and bragging about how you can get away with it because of your wealth is much, much worse.

[LittleHurt05]

BJ jokes may be inappropriate, but sexual assault and bragging about how you can get away with it because of your wealth is much, much worse.

 

Absolutely. Just would have been nice to hear a female in power say, "He shouldn't have said that about a fellow colleague", instead of "Well, her boss is a bigger asshole!". But politics.

[NorthSideSox72]

Absolutely. Just would have been nice to hear a female in power say, "He shouldn't have said that about a fellow colleague", instead of "Well, her boss is a bigger asshole!". But politics.

I mean, you say "But politics". Look at what you did. Poster A points out something Trump said that was not only misogynist, but also seemed to say he was OK with sexual assault. Your response is, yeah, but some other politician in the other party said something stupid but less offensive! What does that accomplish, other than furthering the partisan noise?

 

BS didn't talk about the GOP (in this case). He talked about one specific person.

 

[LittleHurt05]

I mean, you say "But politics". Look at what you did. Poster A points out something Trump said that was not only misogynist, but also seemed to say he was OK with sexual assault. Your response is, yeah, but some other politician in the other party said something stupid but less offensive! What does that accomplish, other than furthering the partisan noise?

 

BS didn't talk about the GOP (in this case). He talked about one specific person.

 

And I am talking about one specific person. Nancy Pelosi.

[bmags]

Pelosi's response was accurate. It took a year to pass that bill. During that ENTIRE TIME the only thing discussed was false bulls*** like death panels, and accurate discussions weighing costs and risks with the insured, costs of premiums.

 

But - the positives weren't discussed. It's assumed that a health care bill should, you know, cover more people. That it was, but wasn't covering all, was another knock. "Is it covering enough?"

 

There was no positive coverage of what the bill was achieving. Now, now that it's actually at risk, wow suddenly isn't it so nice that there are no longer pop-up clinics in oklahoma with 500 people wrapped for half a mile trying to get free care? Wow, isn't it great that these people who happened to get cancer and are freelancers aren't bankrupt?

 

Yes, it is great. It isn't perfect, but not perfect >>>>> people randomly being bankrupted due to chance, or dying because they are poor.

 

ACA had a slow-ass pace as health care plans including public option had to handle a separate group of moderate Sens (Baucus) who tried for. months. to court Susan COllins and Snowe. That bill had to then be combined with the significantly more leftwing house bill.

 

That there was no deliberation on that bill was a fallacy. It started in February, wasn't even out of the house until after November, then the senate reconciliation had to happen. During that time, Scott Brown was elected and threw it into chaos, Then they found a way to pass with "only" 59 senators. That was in late march, nearly 14 months later.

 

Meanwhile, the house just suddenly clobbered a bill together in 2 weeks, is putting it into committee before the CBO, and plans to pass it in the senate before the next recess.

 

But, yeah, Pelosi once said something.

[StrangeSox]

It's being RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS!!!

[bmags]

Had she said that, AND it had actually been deliberated in darkness, then it would be an unforgivable statement. But, the bill was out there for all to see. It was a response to the overwhelming coverage that was taken over by republicans that this would end humanity, and her response was that once enacted people will see the benefits.

[StrangeSox]

Nobody was talking about health care in this thread though?

[bmags]

WHERE AM I

[bmags]

Is this the NFL thread

[bmags]

Alright two things:

- Great rant, I'm going to put that in the freezer and use it when people are talking about the same thing as me

- It's possible that I don't know how to read

[NorthSideSox72]

And I am talking about one specific person. Nancy Pelosi.

You can play pedantics if you want to. I was just pointing out that it only became party partisan because of your approach, then railed against the thing you did.

 

[StrangeSox]

[BigSqwert]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/01/politics/joe...beau/index.html

 

So Beau Biden's brother is now dating Beau Biden's widow. Very strange.

 

The family loved 'Legend of the Fall'.

Edited March 9, 2017 by BigSqwert

[StrangeSox]

Representative Steve King, Iowa is letting the White nationalist Nazi flag fly.

 

https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/8409...src=twsrc%5Etfw

 

Wilders understands that culture and demographics are our destiny. We can't restore our civilization with somebody else's babies.

 

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

Edited March 13, 2017 by StrangeSox

[GoSox05]

Not surprising coming from King, who is human garbage. Also not surprising that no one in his party is asking that he step down or be thrown out of the party.

 

 

[StrangeSox]

David Duke and the Stormfront brigade are praising King after he doubled down in an interview this morning.

[StrangeSox]

Netherlands Election exit polls are filtering out, and it looks like Geert Wilders' far-right anti-Islam party fell into a three-way tie for 2nd place with 19 seats in parliament. As recently as last week. his party was leading the incumbent VVD party. It's a possible sign that the tide of right-wing populism has been stemmed in Europe, but the big one to watch is still the upcoming French elections.

 

http://www.dw.com/en/dutch-pm-ruttes-vvd-e...poll/a-37937959

 

If you like multi-party systems, the Dutch elections have several dozen parties running and over a dozen will get seats in parliament. They have a proportional representation system with a parliament, so you're voting for a given party rather than a particular candidate, and seats are allocated to a party based on their percentage share of the electorate. Turnout in the Netherlands will be well over 70%.

[NorthSideSox72]

Netherlands Election exit polls are filtering out, and it looks like Geert Wilders' far-right anti-Islam party fell into a three-way tie for 2nd place with 19 seats in parliament. As recently as last week. his party was leading the incumbent VVD party. It's a possible sign that the tide of right-wing populism has been stemmed in Europe, but the big one to watch is still the upcoming French elections.

 

http://www.dw.com/en/dutch-pm-ruttes-vvd-e...poll/a-37937959

 

If you like multi-party systems, the Dutch elections have several dozen parties running and over a dozen will get seats in parliament. They have a proportional representation system with a parliament, so you're voting for a given party rather than a particular candidate, and seats are allocated to a party based on their percentage share of the electorate. Turnout in the Netherlands will be well over 70%.

I really like the German model. You get two votes - one for a candidate, one for a party. Party vote totals dictate number of seats, then the most popular candidates get those seats per party.

 

[StrangeSox]

There are so many models that are better than what's essentially 18th century England with an elected monarch

[bmags]

Yeah most of the 20th century set-ups were much better.

 

Love Germanys though. Plus with Parliament/PM/FM structure we wouldn't have the ridiculous 2 year election buildup since it's less rigid.

[caulfield12]

Netherlands Election exit polls are filtering out, and it looks like Geert Wilders' far-right anti-Islam party fell into a three-way tie for 2nd place with 19 seats in parliament. As recently as last week. his party was leading the incumbent VVD party. It's a possible sign that the tide of right-wing populism has been stemmed in Europe, but the big one to watch is still the upcoming French elections.

 

http://www.dw.com/en/dutch-pm-ruttes-vvd-e...poll/a-37937959

 

If you like multi-party systems, the Dutch elections have several dozen parties running and over a dozen will get seats in parliament. They have a proportional representation system with a parliament, so you're voting for a given party rather than a particular candidate, and seats are allocated to a party based on their percentage share of the electorate. Turnout in the Netherlands will be well over 70%.

 

 

Anti-Trumpism is actually working against Wilders and Le Pen, at least for the moment.

That said, all it takes is another major terrorist attack on EU soil to reverse the tide again.

 

Saw on CNN the turnout was in the low 80's, at least from their polling.

 

The other positive with the Netherlands' form of government is that it would have been impossible for his Freedom Party to even form a ruling coalition, even had they ended up with more seats. On the other hand, it's pulling the ruling parties more and more to the center right in response to the populist movements, but that's perhaps not the worst thing in the world...because those countries are still significantly more liberal-leaning than the US in recent years.

[Rex Kickass]

Anti-Trumpism is actually working against Wilders and Le Pen, at least for the moment.

That said, all it takes is another major terrorist attack on EU soil to reverse the tide again.

 

Saw on CNN the turnout was in the low 80's, at least from their polling.

 

The other positive with the Netherlands' form of government is that it would have been impossible for his Freedom Party to even form a ruling coalition, even had they ended up with more seats. On the other hand, it's pulling the ruling parties more and more to the center right in response to the populist movements, but that's perhaps not the worst thing in the world...because those countries are still significantly more liberal-leaning than the US in recent years.

 

After preliminary results, it looks like Wilders' party has dropped to third place. With Fillon and LePen also starting to fade in France, there's definitely a sense of relief in the air in Europe.

[StrangeSox]

 

Trump appointed his fifth Goldman Sachs guy to his administration yesterday.

[Quin]

 

Trump appointed his fifth Goldman Sachs guy to his administration yesterday.

 

I laughed but it hurt.