YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 If those couple outings last year crippled Fulmer's development, than he was never going to be anything special anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Sox certainly hurt his prospect shine, but there is no reason to think they did any irrecoverable damage to him. He can bounce back if he was supposed to be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 Fulmer's end of year AAA appearances were actually pretty encouraging. If he can keep the walks down and his stuff bounces back a bit I think we'll be singing a different tune next year. Kid just turned 23. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royoung Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) I do still believe in Fulmer but the White Sox didn't do him any favors last year. It was obvious he was uncomfortable in the bullpen role last year and was overthrowing. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do this year as a starter where he has previously excelled. Edited January 15, 2017 by southside hitman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I can't think of any prospects that have ever been rushed and ruined. Is this guy going to say Beckham? LO freaking L if that's an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 15, 2017 -> 03:24 PM) I can't think of any prospects that have ever been rushed and ruined. Is this guy going to say Beckham? LO freaking L if that's an example. When a majority of prospects do fail you can always come up with reasons why they did. It's always impossible to say that a prospect who was rushed was truly ruined by it, but then again it's impossible to say that a prospect who is rushed and fails wasn't broken by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con te Giolito Posted January 15, 2017 Share Posted January 15, 2017 I dont think they ruined Fulmer, but he missed out on time in Charlotte that will have to made up this year and maybe even part of next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 15, 2017 -> 01:24 PM) I can't think of any prospects that have ever been rushed and ruined. Is this guy going to say Beckham? LO freaking L if that's an example. I would say Courtney Hawkins, unless you mean rushed to the majors, in which case Beckham was not a failed prospect, but certainly fell short of expectations he set after his rookie year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 01:28 AM) I would say Courtney Hawkins, unless you mean rushed to the majors, in which case Beckham was not a failed prospect, but certainly fell short of expectations he set after his rookie year. Nonsense. After 5 years, he strikes out waaay too much. He is not nearly good enough, never really was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 QUOTE (oldsox @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 07:30 AM) Nonsense. After 5 years, he strikes out waaay too much. He is not nearly good enough, never really was. Interesting to see how highly they thought of Lopez and kopech Collins is nearing top 50 territory as well Hansen and fuller could end up in the top 100 by mid season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 12:28 AM) I would say Courtney Hawkins I'll never forget there were even scouts (or was it a couple of scouting departments of different orgs?) who questioned why that kid was in high A after only 72 PA in low A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share Posted January 16, 2017 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 09:39 AM) I'll never forget there were even scouts (or was it a couple of scouting departments of different orgs?) who questioned why that kid was in high A after only 72 PA in low A. The 2012 draft is frustrating in retrospect because players like giolito, wacha, seager and stroganoff were all selected shortly after Hawkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 15, 2017 -> 01:24 PM) I can't think of any prospects that have ever been rushed and ruined. Is this guy going to say Beckham? LO freaking L if that's an example. Even Beckham had his best season his rookie year. I tend to agree with you. The Sox haven't wrecked a lot of players, IMHO. More likely than not, they have been drafting poor talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside guru Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 13, 2017 -> 05:52 PM) I lean towards this being B.S. too, since he's talking about a power change up and emergeing breaking pitch, which is opposite of what I saw and others have reported. I have questions. Keep Burdi as a closer. That's what the wants to do and is used to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted January 16, 2017 Share Posted January 16, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 03:51 PM) The 2012 draft is frustrating in retrospect because players like giolito, wacha, seager and stroganoff were all selected shortly after Hawkins Stroganoff hahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 16, 2017 -> 04:54 PM) Stroganoff hahahahaha Lol, I thought the same thing. Assuming he meant Stroman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 04:02 PM) Lol, I thought the same thing. Assuming he meant Stroman. In watching this I am not sure I am as high on Kopech as I was before. This is him during the AFL this past fall. He does strike out Ian Happ twice, but seems to really struggle to get his fastball and slider over the plate. Several wild pitches, and the catcher throws out two runners at second on stolen bases. Explosive fastball 70-75 grade, fringe plus slider 50-55 grade, 40 grade control in my eyes He's a really risky prospect, but the Sox tend to develop pitchers pretty well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsmaggs Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 04:30 PM) In watching this I am not sure I am as high on Kopech as I was before. This is him during the AFL this past fall. He does strike out Ian Happ twice, but seems to really struggle to get his fastball and slider over the plate. Several wild pitches, and the catcher throws out two runners at second on stolen bases. Explosive fastball 70-75 grade, fringe plus slider 50-55 grade, 40 grade control in my eyes He's a really risky prospect, but the Sox tend to develop pitchers pretty well Not to demean your scouting eye, but this was one performance in the Arizona Fall League. That is way too small a sample size to conclude anything of significance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 05:17 PM) Not to demean your scouting eye, but this was one performance in the Arizona Fall League. That is way too small a sample size to conclude anything of significance. That's true. But, it does mesh with what I've read in a few places now - Kopech doesn't have very good command of any of his pitches yet. He needs development. But that's not at all unusual, even for high end prospects, at his level and stage of development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 05:17 PM) Not to demean your scouting eye, but this was one performance in the Arizona Fall League. That is way too small a sample size to conclude anything of significance. I am not suggesting that is an overall scouting report, but just based off of what we can see in his most recent game action He does not display much control in the video. The fastball is really good, albeit poorly located. The slider flashes 55, but is inconsistent. Control is below average Kopech is a talented project that will need 2 full minor league seasons of development at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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