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QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 25, 2017 -> 09:55 AM)
Lol I think everyone saw this outcome coming for Nebby, just a terrible hire.

Great time for Scott frost to take over.

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Wouldn’t count on OU beating TCU twice in one month. Their defense has been garbage all season long.

 

Frost will have an interesting choice to make, with those SEC jobs open. Nebraska doesn’t dominate recruiting like they used to, and they always had the athletes to make their running game work, as well as a stout defense. Switching from their tradition Osborne/Solich style to a more wide open offense has backfired.

 

Iowa throttled OSU, beat ISU (who beat two top 5 teams), Minnesota, Illinois and Nebraska, which would normally lead to elation for Hawkeye fans. Had PSU down until the final play. Otoh, Wisconsin has once again proved to be the class of the West...and losing at home against Purdue is almost inexplicable. Ferentz has been there 19 years, and we seem to be stuck with same stale style of play with his son as OC. When executed properly, we can take out some top teams, especially at home. When it goes south, you get losses to NW and Purdue. Pretty restless fanbase, due to the huge salaries the coaching staff now earns.

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OU is miles and away better than TCU. TCU is not a top 15 team.

 

Had a first today with ISU/KSU, watching three flags against K-State get picked up.

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QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 25, 2017 -> 12:55 PM)
Lol I think everyone saw this outcome coming for Nebby, just a terrible hire.

 

 

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 25, 2017 -> 05:03 PM)
Great time for Scott frost to take over.

 

 

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 25, 2017 -> 08:37 PM)
Wouldn’t count on OU beating TCU twice in one month. Their defense has been garbage all season long.

 

Frost will have an interesting choice to make, with those SEC jobs open. Nebraska doesn’t dominate recruiting like they used to, and they always had the athletes to make their running game work, as well as a stout defense. Switching from their tradition Osborne/Solich style to a more wide open offense has backfired.

 

Iowa throttled OSU, beat ISU (who beat two top 5 teams), Minnesota, Illinois and Nebraska, which would normally lead to elation for Hawkeye fans. Had PSU down until the final play. Otoh, Wisconsin has once again proved to be the class of the West...and losing at home against Purdue is almost inexplicable. Ferentz has been there 19 years, and we seem to be stuck with same stale style of play with his son as OC. When executed properly, we can take out some top teams, especially at home. When it goes south, you get losses to NW and Purdue. Pretty restless fanbase, due to the huge salaries the coaching staff now earns.

 

Yeah the Riley hire was a real head-scratcher. Riley was on the hot seat in Corvallis. The AD at NU at the time wanted to get as far away from Bo Pelini's personality as he could. He went on a one man search, and chose Riley. Riley was pretty much the exact opposite of Pelini personality wise, as evident by the press conference today where Riley met with the media after being fired, and shook hands with everyone there. The guy is a total class act. When Pelini was fired he held a secret meeting with the players at a Lincoln HS, where he called the AD a p*ssy and c*nt. Riley was a class act who didn't win enough games. Pelini was an embarrassment who didn't beat anyone good, or win anything worth a damn, especially once Bill Callahan's recruits left.

 

Nebraska, after Tom Osborne retired, hired a RB Coach in Frank Solich, who was turned down by Minnesota the prior year. He failed, and ran the best program in college football at the time into the ground. They then hired a fired NFL coach in Bill Callahan. Callahan recruited well, but his DC was garbage. He failed. Nebraska then hired LSU's DC in Bo Pelini. Pelini was not wanted by any other decent schools as a head coach, due to concerns over his demeanor, lack of recruiting, and having never been a head coach. Pelini was lazy when it came to recruiting, and was content with going 9-4 every year. He failed. Nebraska then hires Mike Riley. Riley did well at Oregon St. relative to others that have been there (save for Dennis Erickson), but had plateaued at the end of his time there. He failed at Nebraska as well.

 

Frank Solich is now at Ohio. The AD at the time (Bill Byrne) wanted to hire either Florida's DC (Bob Stoops) or UNC's head coach (Mack Brown).

Bill Callahan is now with the Washington Redskins as the OL coach. The AD at the time (Steve Pederson) wanted to hire Houston Nutt.

Bo Pelini is now at Youngstown St. The AD at the time (Tom Osborne) interviewed Turner Gill (Liberty/KU/Buffalo head coach), Jim Grobe, and Gary Patterson (TCU) said he just got a token interview from Osborne, but wasn't a real candidate.

Mike Riley will most likely retire as he's 64. The AD at the time (Shawn Eichorst) didn't interview anyone else.

 

Not once since Osborne retired, did Nebraska actually go out and hire a top available candidate that was wanted by other schools nationally. Frost is actually wanted nationally by Florida, Tennessee, and others. He took over 0-12 UCF, and has them 11-0 in year 2. From what I have heard from supposed "insiders" Frost is coming back to Lincoln. 7 years $30 something million. Also info coming from some writers with good ties to Nebraska football, specifically one who covered the 90s well in Lars Anderson. He worked for SI, and did the story on Lawrence Phillips after his death. Lars Anderson is getting his info that Frost is going back to Lincoln from Matt Davison. Davison is one of Frost's best friends and a former teammate. Davison is also a Nebraska radio color commentator.

 

Recruiting is harder to Nebraska than it is to any other blue blood. There isn't a large talent pool nearby like Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio St., Oklahoma, Texas, and USC have. It is not impossible to get great players to Lincoln though. Tom Osborne proved that it's possible. Bill Callahan proved that it's possible. Mike Riley proved that it's possible. Scott Frost was a good recruiter while at Oregon. If he goes to Nebraska he should be able to bring talent in. Frost has a higher ceiling than Solich, Callahan, Pelini, or Riley. Frost calls his own plays, and actually knows what a championship culture in college looks like. He was 24-2 as a QB at NU, splitting a national title in 97. He was 24-4 as an assistant (DC) at Northern Iowa. He was 79-15 as an assistant at Oregon and coached in 2 national championship games. Oregon finished in the Top 10 in 5 of the 7 seasons Frost was there. He then goes to UCF and takes over an 0-12 team and has them 11-0 in year 2. I'm more concerned with who Frost's assistants will be if he chooses to come back to Nebraska.

 

And kudos to Iowa for kicking Nebraska's ass 4 out of the last 5 seasons.

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QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 08:30 AM)
Illinois has to be tanking so they can get higher draft choices, right?

What people forget when they talk about Illinois football is that this is a program that is post scandal. If it weren't for the horror at Baylor, Illinois would have been the in scandal. When Beckman took over from Zook, he had some good talent. Beckman made players play through injuries and destroyed the program.

 

Lovie Smith may not be a great college coach, but he should get all the time he needs. No team has success with a O-Line of Freshmen in the B1G.

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QUOTE (Da_Goob @ Nov 25, 2017 -> 06:57 PM)
That loss might really hurt Ohio states chances at the playoffs.

We don’t deserve a playoff spot.

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QUOTE (Sox Fan In Husker Land @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 12:43 AM)
Yeah the Riley hire was a real head-scratcher. Riley was on the hot seat in Corvallis. The AD at NU at the time wanted to get as far away from Bo Pelini's personality as he could. He went on a one man search, and chose Riley. Riley was pretty much the exact opposite of Pelini personality wise, as evident by the press conference today where Riley met with the media after being fired, and shook hands with everyone there. The guy is a total class act. When Pelini was fired he held a secret meeting with the players at a Lincoln HS, where he called the AD a p*ssy and c*nt. Riley was a class act who didn't win enough games. Pelini was an embarrassment who didn't beat anyone good, or win anything worth a damn, especially once Bill Callahan's recruits left.

 

Nebraska, after Tom Osborne retired, hired a RB Coach in Frank Solich, who was turned down by Minnesota the prior year. He failed, and ran the best program in college football at the time into the ground. They then hired a fired NFL coach in Bill Callahan. Callahan recruited well, but his DC was garbage. He failed. Nebraska then hired LSU's DC in Bo Pelini. Pelini was not wanted by any other decent schools as a head coach, due to concerns over his demeanor, lack of recruiting, and having never been a head coach. Pelini was lazy when it came to recruiting, and was content with going 9-4 every year. He failed. Nebraska then hires Mike Riley. Riley did well at Oregon St. relative to others that have been there (save for Dennis Erickson), but had plateaued at the end of his time there. He failed at Nebraska as well.

 

Frank Solich is now at Ohio. The AD at the time (Bill Byrne) wanted to hire either Florida's DC (Bob Stoops) or UNC's head coach (Mack Brown).

Bill Callahan is now with the Washington Redskins as the OL coach. The AD at the time (Steve Pederson) wanted to hire Houston Nutt.

Bo Pelini is now at Youngstown St. The AD at the time (Tom Osborne) interviewed Turner Gill (Liberty/KU/Buffalo head coach), Jim Grobe, and Gary Patterson (TCU) said he just got a token interview from Osborne, but wasn't a real candidate.

Mike Riley will most likely retire as he's 64. The AD at the time (Shawn Eichorst) didn't interview anyone else.

 

Not once since Osborne retired, did Nebraska actually go out and hire a top available candidate that was wanted by other schools nationally. Frost is actually wanted nationally by Florida, Tennessee, and others. He took over 0-12 UCF, and has them 11-0 in year 2. From what I have heard from supposed "insiders" Frost is coming back to Lincoln. 7 years $30 something million. Also info coming from some writers with good ties to Nebraska football, specifically one who covered the 90s well in Lars Anderson. He worked for SI, and did the story on Lawrence Phillips after his death. Lars Anderson is getting his info that Frost is going back to Lincoln from Matt Davison. Davison is one of Frost's best friends and a former teammate. Davison is also a Nebraska radio color commentator.

 

Recruiting is harder to Nebraska than it is to any other blue blood. There isn't a large talent pool nearby like Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio St., Oklahoma, Texas, and USC have. It is not impossible to get great players to Lincoln though. Tom Osborne proved that it's possible. Bill Callahan proved that it's possible. Mike Riley proved that it's possible. Scott Frost was a good recruiter while at Oregon. If he goes to Nebraska he should be able to bring talent in. Frost has a higher ceiling than Solich, Callahan, Pelini, or Riley. Frost calls his own plays, and actually knows what a championship culture in college looks like. He was 24-2 as a QB at NU, splitting a national title in 97. He was 24-4 as an assistant (DC) at Northern Iowa. He was 79-15 as an assistant at Oregon and coached in 2 national championship games. Oregon finished in the Top 10 in 5 of the 7 seasons Frost was there. He then goes to UCF and takes over an 0-12 team and has them 11-0 in year 2. I'm more concerned with who Frost's assistants will be if he chooses to come back to Nebraska.

 

And kudos to Iowa for kicking Nebraska's ass 4 out of the last 5 seasons.

Nebraska has great facilities and great fans. But Prop 48 and steroids aren’t coming back. They aren’t a “blue blood”

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QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 10:10 AM)
What people forget when they talk about Illinois football is that this is a program that is post scandal. If it weren't for the horror at Baylor, Illinois would have been the in scandal. When Beckman took over from Zook, he had some good talent. Beckman made players play through injuries and destroyed the program.

 

Lovie Smith may not be a great college coach, but he should get all the time he needs. No team has success with a O-Line of Freshmen in the B1G.

 

Next year is a big year for Lovie. If he can't find a way to show some sort of progress on the field or a not bottom of the B1G recruiting class, he's pretty done for IMO. He probably already is, but I need to have some hope for something.

 

 

 

 

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QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 10:54 AM)
Next year is a big year for Lovie. If he can't find a way to show some sort of progress on the field or a not bottom of the B1G recruiting class, he's pretty done for IMO. He probably already is, but I need to have some hope for something.

Unlike most coaches 2 years in, Louie has only had one of his own recruiting classes in uniform. They played more true freshmen than any other school. If they jack Lovie if they suck next year, which they will, they will never be good. I think the bigger concern for Illinois would be if Lovie decides he doesn't need this.

 

The Beckman hire was one of the worst of all time.

Edited by Dick Allen

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 10:30 AM)
Nebraska has great facilities and great fans. But Prop 48 and steroids aren’t coming back. They aren’t a “blue blood”

I had a similar thought when he called Nebraska a blue blood. It's hard to be a blue blood still when the program is averaging 5 losses per year for over a decade.

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QUOTE (danman31 @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 02:52 PM)
I had a similar thought when he called Nebraska a blue blood. It's hard to be a blue blood still when the program is averaging 5 losses per year for over a decade.

Like Michigan?

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 12:33 PM)
Unlike most coaches 2 years in, Louie has only had one of his own recruiting classes in uniform. They played more true freshmen than any other school. If they jack Lovie if they suck next year, which they will, they will never be good. I think the bigger concern for Illinois would be if Lovie decides he doesn't need this.

 

The Beckman hire was one of the worst of all time.

 

He gets 4 years regardless, but they purposefully inflated that freshmen number. They pretty much refused to play anybody they didn't recruit.

 

 

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QUOTE (gatnom @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 04:08 PM)
He gets 4 years regardless, but they purposefully inflated that freshmen number. They pretty much refused to play anybody they didn't recruit.

That is how you build a program. Barry Alvarez got about half of Wisconsins roster to leave just based off off season workouts. He sucked for a couple of years. Lovie and his coaches apparently don't want Beckman's players and it appears to be a smart decision.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 04:11 PM)
That is how you build a program. Barry Alvarez got about half of Wisconsins roster to leave just based off off season workouts. He sucked for a couple of years. Lovie and his coaches apparently don't want Beckman's players and it appears to be a smart decision.

 

I'm fine with what they're doing, but people use the freshman start numbers as a crutch. It's their prerogative if they decide to leave a RB with 6 ypc for his career on the bench because they want to start their freshman with 3 ypc.

 

There honestly aren't many Beckman players left. Something like 8 seniors this year.

 

 

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 12:33 PM)
Unlike most coaches 2 years in, Louie has only had one of his own recruiting classes in uniform. They played more true freshmen than any other school. If they jack Lovie if they suck next year, which they will, they will never be good. I think the bigger concern for Illinois would be if Lovie decides he doesn't need this.

 

The Beckman hire was one of the worst of all time.

 

I agree. Over at least the next two years it is way more likely that Lovie leaves on his own than he gets fired. The program was an absolute dumpster fire, Whitman came in as the new young AD and he bet all his chips in Lovie, he is not giving up that quickly.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 01:06 PM)
Schiano to Vols...yuck.

I love how they also believe they are a blue blood. UT is second or third tier in their own conference.

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What are odds that schiano actually gets coaches at this point? Lol there is a statewide revolt.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 08:28 PM)
What are odds that schiano actually gets coaches at this point? Lol there is a statewide revolt.

 

 

 

Sounds like 0.0%

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QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 26, 2017 -> 07:28 PM)
What are odds that schiano actually gets coaches at this point? Lol there is a statewide revolt.

 

:hawk:

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