Chisoxfn Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 01:31 PM) The really lame, but true answer is whenever they are ready. I know that isn't what you're totally asking, but my point is because the White Sox have come out and said this is going to be a longer process, this isn't a Jimmy Rollins/Tim Anderson thing where it's "Well if we can get three good months of out Rollins, maybe Anderson can come up by the deadline and we'll be in good shape.." I want to see these guys on the major league roster when they have very little left to prove in MiLB. If Moncada is just crushing in AAA by June, bring him up and start the process. If Giolito takes the entire year in AAA to work on things, I guess so be it. Certainly there will be some disappoint with some of these guys, but in my head, I don't have any estimated arrival dates for any of them. Lets see what happens in AA-AAA over the first three months of the year, then take a look at the bigger picture. All that said, I would be surprised / dissapointed if by the summer, Lopez / Giolito / Fullmer / Moncada were not on the major league roster. I agree with you, they shouldn't be up until they are ready, but I would expect, that given each of their time frames and existing minor league experience, that we would be targeting having those guys all up during the second half of this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 03:47 PM) All that said, I would be surprised / mildy dissapointed if by the summer, Lopez / Giolito / Fullmer / Moncada were not on the major league roster. I agree with you, they shouldn't be up until they are ready, but I would expect, that given each of their time frames and existing minor league experience, that we would be targeting having those guys all up during the second half of this year. Especially, since they have all had the first "cup of coffee" last year. This should be the year where they come up prior to the September call up time. If they develop as they should that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 03:26 PM) At the very least I want to see them stay in the minors long enough to give us the extra full year of control. Yep no need to rush in 2017 on any of the new prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) I really wouldn't be opposed to Moncada getting a full year in Triple-A to be honest. Maybe a September call-up and then called up June 2018 (if he's producing) and then having him for the remainder of the year plus 6 years. This is only his age 21-season so you can definitely make a case for it. Edited February 28, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 03:30 PM) If people freak out about a guy who is 20 pitching in an early spring training game, they are nuts. No one expects Kopech to be even close to the big league roster at this point. If anything, I'd think people should be excited that he flashed some plus curves and obviously demonstrated that his velocity is real. Amen too that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 01:58 PM) I really wouldn't be opposed to Moncada getting a full year in Triple-A to be honest. Maybe a September call-up and then called up June 2018 (if he's producing) and then having him for the remainder of the year plus 6 years. If I was going to say any of those guys took a bit longer, I'd have pegged it to be Moncada. That said, I still say it would be dissapointing if they weren't all on the major league roster come the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 04:00 PM) If I was going to say any of those guys took a bit longer, I'd have pegged it to be Moncada. That said, I still say it would be dissapointing if they weren't all on the major league roster come the summer. It would definitely suck as we all want to see him but I would completely understand why it happened if it did. Sucks that the Red Sox put him on their 40-man in September. He currently wouldn't be on our 40-man right now as he wouldn't have enough minor league time to warrant the need for it. Edited February 28, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Collins looks really good so far. Moncada got rung up on a bad pitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daa84 Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 06:03 PM) Collins looks really good so far. Moncada got rung up on a bad pitch i really hope he can stick at catcher. at least for a handful of years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) Speedster. Collins takes 2nd. Edited February 28, 2017 by Nokona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 05:30 PM) If people freak out about a guy who is 20 pitching in an early spring training game, they are nuts. No one expects Kopech to be even close to the big league roster at this point. If anything, I'd think people should be excited that he flashed some plus curves and obviously demonstrated that his velocity is real. This guys aren't even really trying to get guys out. They are working on pitches. Your post is spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 12:04 AM) This guys aren't even really trying to get guys out. They are working on pitches. Your post is spot on. Something I was really impressed with is how Kopech wasn't missing by much on the balls he threw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 10:00 PM) If I was going to say any of those guys took a bit longer, I'd have pegged it to be Moncada. That said, I still say it would be dissapointing if they weren't all on the major league roster come the summer. That's cool you say this. I agree. You are out on a limb here, though. My feeling reading the board is very few people want our prospects anywhere near the major league roster anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 01:58 AM) That's cool you say this. I agree. You are out on a limb here, though. My feeling reading the board is very few people want our prospects anywhere near the major league roster anytime soon. If Lopez and Moncada aren't on the MLB roster by July it's not a good sign. Giolito it would be nice to see a cameo from in late summer and September. Kopech? Kopech shouldn't sniff the bigs this year, perhaps even if he's the 2nd coming of Kerry Wood in AA. Fulmer? Hopefully he forces his way up by August. He's a 4th starter at best imo though. Not as exciting as the others mentioned. Edited March 1, 2017 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 02:02 AM) If Lopez and Moncada aren't on the MLB roster by July it's not a good sign. Giolito it would be nice to see a cameo from in late summer and September. Kopech? Kopech shouldn't sniff the bigs this year, perhaps even if he's the 2nd coming of Kerry Wood in AA. Fulmer? Hopefully he forces his way up by August. He's a 4th starter at best imo though. Not as exciting as the others mentioned. Kopech September 18 at earliest I would say and that's probably being too generous. Edited March 1, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 05:40 AM) Kopech September 18 at earliest I would say and that's probably being too generous. There's no way. Even if his talent proves undeniable he has so far to go to build up his stamina and innings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I'm in no hurry for any of the prospects to be called up. This is not going to be a quick turnaround, so why rush anyone? Obviously if they determine that someone is ready, then yeah, call them up, but no one should be hurried for what is going to be a low-expectation season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 08:36 AM) There's no way. Even if his talent proves undeniable he has so far to go to build up his stamina and innings. Also remember talk in Boston media was very split as to whether Kopech would end up being a starter or reliever. Hopefully the White Sox can add another pitch and make him a starter but that decision ultimately determines how fast he arrives. With Burdi, I think the FO will be patient and give Kopech time to develop as a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 07:36 AM) There's no way. Even if his talent proves undeniable he has so far to go to build up his stamina and innings. He can't do that in September in the minors due to the season being over (unless a team is in the playoffs). I was only talking about getting his feet wet. But yeah, like I said, September 2018 is too generous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 07:36 AM) There's no way. Even if his talent proves undeniable he has so far to go to build up his stamina and innings. +1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 08:15 AM) He can't do that in September in the minors due to the season being over (unless a team is in the playoffs). I was only talking about getting his feet wet. But yeah, like I said, September 2018 is too generous. His innings limit should be done by September without injuries, if he is a starter all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 QUOTE (ptatc @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 11:42 AM) His innings limit should be done by September without injuries, if he is a starter all year. True. But like I said, too generous of a prediction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 05:40 AM) Kopech September 18 at earliest I would say and that's probably being too generous. Yeah, realistically he has had such low innings outputs, you have to imagine that things would have go absolutely perfect to make September of 18. In my head, I think middle to end of 2019 is realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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