Dominikk85 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 The picture will get much clearer after the college season. I think there likely will be a consensus top3 in talent after the college season. Doesn't mean they get actually drafted that Way but it is pretty normal that 9 months before the draft the picture is not quite complete yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) Sox just can't help themselves but f*** this up. Sox win, Reds lose, Tigers win. 0.5 games ahead of the Reds with the 5th pick Sox pick 4th 2.5 GB of the Phillies for the 3rd pick 3 GB of the Tigers for the 2nd pick 4 GB of the Giants for the 1st pick 3 games left. 1st pick has now been eliminated. Edited September 29, 2017 by ChiliIrishHammock24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Sep 28, 2017 -> 10:43 PM) Sox just can't help themselves but f*** this up. 0.5 games ahead of the Reds with the 5th pick This s***s gettin scary. Thank the Tank God for Cleveland! 🙏🏻 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Giants and Tigers are probably fighting for #1. Phillies are probably going to be at #3 barring a major collapse (they've been winning as much as us so I'd bet they will be set there) Sox and Reds will fight for #4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 Reds at Cubs: Fri, 1:20 Stephenson vs Quintana Sat, 3:05 Stephens vs Lester Sun, 2:20 McGuire vs Arrieta Sox at Indians: Fri, 6:10 Pelfrey vs Bauer Sat, 6:10 Fulmer vs Kluber Sun, 2:10 Volstad vs Tomlin Hopefully the Cubs starters are just in there for 5 innings. The Sox magic number over the Reds is 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenericUserName Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 09:12 AM) Reds at Cubs: Fri, 1:20 Stephenson vs Quintana Sat, 3:05 Stephens vs Lester Sun, 2:20 McGuire vs Arrieta Sox at Indians: Fri, 6:10 Pelfrey vs Bauer Sat, 6:10 Fulmer vs Kluber Sun, 2:10 Volstad vs Tomlin Hopefully the Cubs starters are just in there for 5 innings. The Sox magic number over the Reds is 3. Hey Q, I know we did you a solid by sending you to a playoff team, so could you do us one and just throw some lobs out there for the Reds? Please and thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 This sucks but to be honest the main issue has been detroit. Sox haven't performed that much over san fran/phillies. And it's not like the sox haven't shut down 3 of their starting pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 According to BR the Tigers are 5-22 for the month of September. Hard to top that s*** show. Good thing Cleveland is still playing for the AL #1 seed. Should help the Sox hold onto the #4 pick next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 10:13 AM) According to BR the Tigers are 5-22 for the month of September. Hard to top that s*** show. Good thing Cleveland is still playing for the AL #1 seed. Should help the Sox hold onto the #4 pick next year. Right. We are talking about facing off against a team with possibly the worst september in history (LIKELY) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 It would be nice if Sox lose tonight and Reds win. Then they only need 1 more loss or Cincy win to keep the 4th pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominikk85 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 QUOTE (BrianAnderson @ Sep 28, 2017 -> 09:05 AM) I'll settle this once and for all with one simple question to all the people who are upset that we'll most likely pick 4th instead of 2nd or 3rd (I think we all conceded the top pick to SF a while back - though this tigers drop off has been out of the blue and sudden) Name the top 5 prospects in the draft by name and position without looking it up... I know the names Turang and Singer off the top of my head.. Exactly. In April it was TANK FOR BEER!!! Well guess what he's supposedly a mid to late 1st round pick now. Trout was what? 23rd? Pick 1 and 2 in 2014 was Brady Aiken and Tyler Kolek. Unless there is a Harper, Bryant, etc. at the top there are very few sure guys. From what I understand there are MANY solid players in this draft with no real standout. I wouldn't be surprised if the top pick 3 years from now was from someone who picked 10-20.. Let's look at the top prospects in all of baseball... Torres - signed Robles - signed Vlad Jr - signed Eloy - signed Acuna - signed Rodgers - 1st (3rd) Tucker - 1st (5th) Senzel - 1st (2nd) Kopech - 1st 33rd) Buehler 24 Honeywell 72 Brinson 29 My point? You have to trust our scouts ... This isn't the NBA where one player like Lebron wins you a championship. This isn't like NFL and NBA where a likely consensus top 3 guy is a guarantee.. the 1st round and top picks are littered with injuries and burn outs... if there is something to get bent out of shape about it is that our signing slots are less with each pick down... There is no guarantee but a guy like bryant or correa definitely helps if you want to win a championship and you are most likely to get such a player at one or two. I'm not saying the Sox can't make it but most of the teams who succeeded in that full rebuild thing have drafted a superstar hitter (astros - correa, cubs - bryant, nats - harper). The Sox currently lack such a hitter, maybe moncada, Robert or jiminez can become that but that is speculation. Now you can win a championships without that 6 war player (Royals) but it definitely is easier if you have that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 QUOTE (GermanSock @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 11:07 AM) There is no guarantee but a guy like bryant or correa definitely helps if you want to win a championship and you are most likely to get such a player at one or two. I'm not saying the Sox can't make it but most of the teams who succeeded in that full rebuild thing have drafted a superstar hitter (astros - correa, cubs - bryant, nats - harper). The Sox currently lack such a hitter, maybe moncada, Robert or jiminez can become that but that is speculation. Now you can win a championships without that 6 war player (Royals) but it definitely is easier if you have that guy. Moncada, Jimenez, and Robert (not to mention Rodon, Kopech, and Hansen) all have the potential to be that player, and all are already in the system. I hope the Top 5 pick the Sox get in this upcoming draft adds to that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 No one we draft is going to be more highly touted than Moncada, Robert and Jimenez. Hell, people thought it might Rutherford going into his draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 11:23 AM) Moncada, Jimenez, and Robert (not to mention Rodon, Kopech, and Hansen) all have the potential to be that player, and all are already in the system. I hope the Top 5 pick the Sox get in this upcoming draft adds to that list. At this point I cannot tell you how disappointed and surprised I will be if Jiminez is not a monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 QUOTE (Quin @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) No one we draft is going to be more highly touted than Moncada, Robert and Jimenez. Hell, people thought it might Rutherford going into his draft. How crazy is that we are going to get a top 5 pick and they might not be a top 5 prospect for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) How crazy is that we are going to get a top 5 pick and they might not be a top 5 prospect for us. I'd be surprised if they weren't with graduations. Jimenez, Kopech, Hansen, Robert but I'd imagine our top 5 pick slots in at 5 and possibly 4 ahead of Hansen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 01:11 PM) I'd be surprised if they weren't with graduations. Jimenez, Kopech, Hansen, Robert but I'd imagine our top 5 pick slots in at 5 and possibly 4 ahead of Hansen. That is pretty reasonable. With three of the top guys graduating, it does open up more spots than I was thinking. I agree those are our top 4, and there is a pretty clear gulf between Hansen and whoever is #5 right now. #5 probably does make sense TBH. But still, the fact that we are going to make a top 5 pick and they will be still rated that low is pretty crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 01:15 PM) That is pretty reasonable. With three of the top guys graduating, it does open up more spots than I was thinking. I agree those are our top 4, and there is a pretty clear gulf between Hansen and whoever is #5 right now. #5 probably does make sense TBH. But still, the fact that we are going to make a top 5 pick and they will be still rated that low is pretty crazy. Yeah, and it will be interesting. This shouldn't and doesn't matter, but if you get a player like Singer it's likely a top 45 prospect right away. High schoolers slot a little farther down. But very likely we have a top-75 player right off the bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 01:15 PM) That is pretty reasonable. With three of the top guys graduating, it does open up more spots than I was thinking. I agree those are our top 4, and there is a pretty clear gulf between Hansen and whoever is #5 right now. #5 probably does make sense TBH. But still, the fact that we are going to make a top 5 pick and they will be still rated that low is pretty crazy. Gulf? I don't know, Collins put up solid offensive numbers in AA and supposedly improved his defense by leaps and bounds to the point that some think he can stick at C. Dane Dunning also had a pretty good year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 The Collins improved at D stuff hasn't really come from anyone other than the white sox. Haven't seen a good report by any prospect source. He may be fine there, but it's still a question mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 01:26 PM) Gulf? I don't know, Collins put up solid offensive numbers in AA and supposedly improved his defense by leaps and bounds to the point that some think he can stick at C. Dane Dunning also had a pretty good year. The top 4 have superstar potential. I don't see that in the rest of the top 5. There are going to be some really good players in the rest of the list, but none of them have those kind of ceilings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 01:36 PM) The Collins improved at D stuff hasn't really come from anyone other than the white sox. Haven't seen a good report by any prospect source. He may be fine there, but it's still a question mark. Longenhagen from Fangraphs listed him on a list of players he felt would stick at C. Considering he got Schwarber comps on draft day, that sounds like marked improvement to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2017 -> 01:37 PM) The top 4 have superstar potential. I don't see that in the rest of the top 5. There are going to be some really good players in the rest of the list, but none of them have those kind of ceilings. If Collins can bring an elite bat and average defense to the C position, he has 6+ WAR per year potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 2-0 Cubs after 3 Quintana perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 (edited) 2-2, Reds still hitting 5th Pitcher bunted into a dp, ugh Edited September 29, 2017 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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