Soxbadger Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:09 PM) I don't get what the big deal is if you're butler or butler's useless trainer. He signed a contract with no movement protection. Players get traded. I'm annoyed by a bad Bulls trade, but I don't believe in that level of loyalty to a guy who signed a contract. Random guess, Butler asked not to be traded to thibs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) I'm interested to see what happens with Jimmy in Minnesota. Wiggins, Townes, and Lavine were all in the top 10 in minutes last year. So was Butler, but Butler severely faded in the playoffs. Under Thibs, I can't help but think they could mess this up by overplaying Butler. Edited June 23, 2017 by Sox-35th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 04:11 AM) Random guess, Butler asked not to be traded to thibs. Or it's related to assuring Wade that Butler was staying put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Jimmy and Wiggins are kind of an odd fit playing side by side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 It says a lot that the Bulls can even do the right thing wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 07:31 PM) This I completely agree with. Yeah...I really really despise the fact that we gave up a 1st. If we are going to rebuild...you need multiple assets and multiple picks. At the very least, we should have added a future 1st from Minny. I mean the #1 guy in the package is coming off an ACL injury (and it isnt like he has came back and shown he is fine). There is a shot he could go Drose and never be the same (not that he was Drose pre-injury..but man he was really rolling). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:09 PM) Here is how I see it. (Discounting the horrible trade) Bulls need an entirely new team, almost all of their players are bench level or old. Marrakannen at least has unique skills. If he develops he could be a starter on a high level team. Monk reminds me of Ben gordon, but every year their will be guards who can score. The real miss may have been smith. Would smith/ leaf be better than dunn/ marrakannen, I don't know. But that's why losing the 1st hurts, it's a lost opportunity for a team that should be doing everything ro get more picks. Meh, barring pipedream scenarios, I think the best case for Markkanen is a more mobile Ryan Anderson (though still a bad defender). That's an expensive player to get in FA, but not someone that really moves the needle. My preference was Smith, I think he could be an upper-tier PG, but also has a low floor. Monk is at least a top-tier bench scorer, though I think he can be better. Admittedly, he's kind of superfluous with LaVine on the roster. He's more of a fit if they make a smarter trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 07:43 PM) And I know this doesn't matter much, but when you look at the deal and the situation as a whole, you have to say "This was an absolute no-brainer type deal for the T'Wolves" That's not usually a situation where you want to be on the other side of that. Most of the deals the Celtics haven't made are on paper absolute no-brainers for them...yet they sit where they are. I think in general, teams with too many assets, should package those assets for the greater good. Bulls are going the opposite way because they don't have enough assets to combine with its best asset. This deal was a no brainer for the Bulls...but I think Boston offering up Jaylen Brown and the #3 for Butler would have been a no-brainer offer for Boston too (and they weren't even close to offering that). Take away #16 and I think it is fair. Reality is, #16 isn't that much seperation in a trade...but when you are rebuilding...it is more important to keep the pick vs. the alternative (Minny didn't truly "need" the pick to be comfortable with the deal. I'd have thought the Bulls had the leverage to hold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Bell or semi is my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Good call Badger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Zoom I completely agree with you on DSJ and completely disagree with you on Monk, just wanted to throw that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:17 PM) Meh, barring pipedream scenarios, I think the best case for Markkanen is a more mobile Ryan Anderson (though still a bad defender). That's an expensive player to get in FA, but not someone that really moves the needle. My preference was Smith, I think he could be an upper-tier PG, but also has a low floor. Monk is at least a top-tier bench scorer, though I think he can be better. Admittedly, he's kind of superfluous with LaVine on the roster. He's more of a fit if they make a smarter trade. Dunn and smith wouldn't really work though. The problem is the bulls took a deal that makes no sense and then had to draft players to compliment it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:23 PM) And now the Bulls are trading him to Golden State. YOU'RE AN IDIOT BADGER!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (ZoomSlowik @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:05 PM) Anyone got a guess for 38? Mine is Rabb. Decent talent, but no real place in the modern NBA. At least they got something right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:10 PM) Put me down for Jordan Bell Good call and I like this pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:24 PM) YOU'RE AN IDIOT BADGER!!!!! Hey blame shack he said it first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:26 PM) What was your favorite moment in the Jordan Bell era? Bulls traded it for cash... f***ing kidding me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:26 PM) What was your favorite moment in the Jordan Bell era? Bulls traded it for cash... Wow....traded for Steph Curry...wow what a front office we have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (Tony @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:26 PM) What was your favorite moment in the Jordan Bell era? Bulls traded it for cash... Woj says "A lot of cash" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 23, 2017 -> 04:27 AM) f***ing kidding me? Holy s*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoomSlowik Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:23 PM) Dunn and smith wouldn't really work though. The problem is the bulls took a deal that makes no sense and then had to draft players to compliment it. Yeah, I'm mostly venting about players in a vacuum and not trying to build on the faulty foundation set by that trade. Bell is an interesting player, should at least be able to get on the floor. Figures that he's moving. Edited June 23, 2017 by ZoomSlowik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:25 PM) Good call and I like this pick. Why do the bulls keep giving picks up in the middle of a rebuild? Edited June 23, 2017 by Buehrle>Wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 08:27 PM) Woj says "A lot of cash" What use do we even have for cash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Blah. Ok then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 22, 2017 -> 10:27 PM) Wow....traded for Steph Curry...wow what a front office we have Was writing this same joke,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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