Superstar Lamar Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (whitesoxwinner @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 12:12 PM) Kahnle too. And I get that we need to sell sell sell...but if teams don't match the price on these guys then only a few of them might move this deadline. I would say trade Frazier for whatever you can get since he's a free agent after this season. Same with melky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 12:24 PM) Kahnle isn't a must go, but it would be ideal. He's got youth and team control on his side, but generally, you want to trade all the relievers you can. I think in the cases of both Avi and Tommy, it will be impossible for a team to give the type of price tag that the White Sox will put on them, especially when the Sox have so many guys they really have to deal in the next few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 11:25 AM) Just announced. Fri - Shields Sat - Holland Sun - Quintana Ugh.. I'm going to the game Friday too. I guess the good news is I'll have a good chance to catch a souvenir or two in the RF seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pablo Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) The Sox really have an incentive to sell everything very fast. The Phillies (29) and Giants (34) are the only teams with less wins than the Sox (38). There are plenty of teams with 38-43 wins currently - some will be buyers, but some others will be sellers. If they can deal Quintana, Kahnle, Robertson and one of Melky/Frazier in the next few days, they theorteically should torpedo themselves down in the standings and would be staring down a top 5 pick, possibly top 3. Most other sellers will not deal until closer to the deadline which gives the Sox 2 plus weeks on the competition to "tank" for lack of a better word. Based on the smoke that's been thrown around by raBBit, WSD, Passan and others, there seems to be a heightened sense of urgency. Makes me think KW & RH recognize the opportunity as well and are really open for business if the right deals come around. Edited July 12, 2017 by pablo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) IMO, it really seems like the Sox are trying to move Quintana before his next start. The last thing you want is for Quintana to throw a stinker before now and the deadline and give a potential buyer cold feet. And starting Quintana on seven days rest, based on how I recall Sox starters performing on extended rest, seems like a recipe for disaster. If I planned on negotiations going closer to the deadline, I would no doubt start Q on Friday. I just don't see how what his date last scheduled date before the deadline really matters. Maximizing our return for Quintana should be only priority right now. Edited July 12, 2017 by Chicago White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 12:55 PM) IMO, it really seems like the Sox are trying to move Quintana before his next start. The last thing you want is for Quintana to throw a stinker before now and the deadline and give a potential buyer cold feet. And starting Quintana on seven days rest, based on how I recall Sox starters performing on extended rest, seems like a recipe for disaster. If I planned on negotiations going closer to the deadline, I would no doubt start Q on Friday. I just don't see how what his date last scheduled date before the deadline really matters. Maximizing our return for Quintana should be only priority right now. Agree with this 100%. A bad start between now and the deadline shouldn't affect his value that much but why bother taking that risk at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoGoSox2k2 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Rabbit sure isnt talking much on twitter today.. hopefully that means we are approaching something close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Has Q been bad on extended rest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harfman77 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 I feel that if something wasn't up, Q would be starting on Friday to get him in out on regular rest and get scouts another look at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:17 PM) Has Q been bad on extended rest? Not sure, but the sample of his starts on 6 or 7 days rest would probably not be statistically significant. I'm just speculating on what I can recall historically with White Sox pitchers and the general routine nature of starting pitchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Really expected something to go down today. Still could, but all seems pretty quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:26 PM) Not sure, but the sample of his starts on 6 or 7 days rest would probably not be statistically significant. I'm just speculating on what I can recall historically with White Sox pitchers and the general routine nature of starting pitchers. Why wouldn't it be significant? If you are saying it's a problem, his actual results would seem a pretty good indicator rather than your recollection , and for his career, he has been just about the same, a slightly better ERA with 6 or more days rest (23 starts), than 4 days rest which would be the typical amount. Edited July 12, 2017 by Dick Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:17 PM) Has Q been bad on extended rest? 4 days: 77 starts, 3.77 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, 102 OPS+ against 5 days: 67 starts, 3.26 ERA, 1.21 WHIP, 99 OPS+ against 6+ days: 23 starts, 3.61 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 94 OPS+ against So very similar results on 6+ days to the standard 4 days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:24 PM) I feel that if something wasn't up, Q would be starting on Friday to get him in out on regular rest and get scouts another look at him. Agree wholeheartedly. Why else wouldn't you start him Friday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 08:22 AM) I'm still glad we didn't go down that route. Profar and Odor disasters...Mazara not on the table, supposedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:31 PM) Why wouldn't it be significant? If you are saying it's a problem, his actual results would seem a pretty good indicator rather than your recollection , and for his career, he has been just about the same, a slightly better ERA with 6 or more days rest (23 starts), than 4 days rest which would be the typical amount. I meant because of sample size, but apparently I underestimated how frequently this has happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:24 PM) I feel that if something wasn't up, Q would be starting on Friday to get him in out on regular rest and get scouts another look at him. Yep. There isn't any real good reason not to start your (by far) best starter on his normal rest and ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:32 PM) 4 days: 77 starts, 3.77 ERA, 1.27 WHIP, 102 OPS+ against 5 days: 67 starts, 3.26 ERA, 1.21 WHIP, 99 OPS+ against 6+ days: 23 starts, 3.61 ERA, 1.30 WHIP, 94 OPS+ against So very similar results on 6+ days to the standard 4 days. Thanks for posting! I guess that solves my concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Also, I am going to be very interested to see who in Charlotte is mirroring Q. It almost has to be either Giolito or Lopez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:31 PM) Really expected something to go down today. Still could, but all seems pretty quiet. Prior to the Sale/Eaton trades, Hahn has preferred to strike late at night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 Yeah this isn't just extended rest, it's 7 full days in between. Very odd - though could be simply because the rotation ended on Rodon right before the break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigsoxhurt35 Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:31 PM) Really expected something to go down today. Still could, but all seems pretty quiet. Its early afternoon still Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:37 PM) Also, I am going to be very interested to see who in Charlotte is mirroring Q. It almost has to be either Giolito or Lopez. The fact that they also haven't announced is itself kind of interesting. Though that's not as uncommon in the minors of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:37 PM) Also, I am going to be very interested to see who in Charlotte is mirroring Q. It almost has to be either Giolito or Lopez. Do we know who it should be if they kept the rotation intact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 12, 2017 Share Posted July 12, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 01:40 PM) Do we know who it should be if they kept the rotation intact? I'm guessing Miguel Gonzalez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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