GreenSox Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 09:41 AM) You do realize Holland was brought in to hopefully flip, and Pelfrey was signed to a minor league contract after being released as depth? Hibbard and King were potentials in Himes' core. But after that season they both fizzled. King got traded for someone worse in Cory Snyder, and Hibbard after a couple of mediocre seasons was taken in the expansion draft. After 1990 they both pitched about like what Holland and Pelfrey are giving the team now. Hibbard and King were in their mid 20s with very little mileage on them. Yes they had short shelf-lives*, but they were nothing like Holland. They weren't great, but they "bridged the gap" while the big guns developed. The Sox record on picking up these old veterans is putrid....they are so bad that they are unflippable. *each had basically 1 bad year and never pitched again - could have been injury. I just think some competent pitching, while rebuilding, will help. I am also not in favor of intentional tanking for the sake of a couple of draft spots advantage, while many are (and I understand their reasoning). Edited July 15, 2017 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 04:09 PM) Ball and Cosart? Saw that also. Cosart makes Kopech look pinpoint. Who knows, maybe Ball gets a shot as a hitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 10:09 AM) Ball and Cosart? I saw that tweet. Not sure if it's anything, but could see the Sox taking a couple struggling pitchers that were once highly thought of as prospects. Lozada is still on the field, btw. Hope it happens today. Sounds like it will. Edited July 15, 2017 by flavum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 08:19 AM) Saw that also. Cosart makes Kopech look pinpoint. Who knows, maybe Ball gets a shot as a hitter Yeah, I don't like Cosart. Ball would seem like a likely target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 04:22 PM) Yeah, I don't like Cosart. Ball would seem like a likely target. 35 and 46 on soxprospects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Less exciting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 08:24 AM) 35 and 46 on soxprospects If you were Hahn, why would you do this today? Just to get it out of the way so you can focus on the relievers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Definitely prefer Ockimey, Hernandez,and Lozada to Ball and Cosart and I think that would be the consensus. Ball does seem like a classic White Sox reclamation a la Humber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 04:29 PM) If you were Hahn, why would you do this today? Just to get it out of the way so you can focus on the relievers? You know Boston is only team that has/will express interest and you want to create an opening for Moncada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 08:31 AM) You know Boston is only team that has/will express interest and you want to create an opening for Moncada St Louis? Moncada can wait two more weeks. We shouldn't be rushing a trade for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Sure it's been mentioned but Sox liked Ball before draft. Just hope his dad Lavar isn't a distraction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 10:31 AM) You know Boston is only team that has/will express interest and you want to create an opening for Moncada People keep saying this but do they mean Sanchez moves to 3B? I think Delmonico or Hayes comes up first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 04:32 PM) People keep saying this but do they mean Sanchez moves to 3B? I think Delmonico or Hayes comes up first. Yes Yolmer and Davidson split time at 3b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Until Sanchez gets traded himself, ha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Who knows, maybe the money saved from Q and Frazier goes to Nats to get better prospect for DRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 Guillermo CelisVerified account @GuillermoCelis Mencioné anoche que si Boston había puesto en asignación a Sandoval, es porque “planean” algo. Hoy se intensifican pláticas por Todd Frazier My best translation: It was mentioned last night that if Boston had DFA'd Sandoval, it would have been because they "planned" something. Today talks for Todd Frazier are intensifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 04:34 PM) Until Sanchez gets traded himself, ha. If he has value, yes please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 10:34 AM) Until Sanchez gets traded himself, ha. I can definitely see him packaged with Robertson to WSN due to Turner's injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 10:32 AM) People keep saying this but do they mean Sanchez moves to 3B? I think Delmonico or Hayes comes up first. I don't think so. Neither Hayes nor Delmonico are big prospects. Hayes has a .234/.330/.434/.764 batting line as a 26 year old. What more do the Sox need to see out of him? Delmonico can probably make it as a bench bat, but he's only at .271/.356/.455/.811 with a fielding percentage at .908. I'll the first to tell you that range is more important than glove, but that's assuming you can run at least a .930-.940 fielding percentage. Bobbling 1 in 10 balls is not acceptable. It's much more important to get Moncada up to the majors to have him start getting accustomed to MLB pitching and making adjustments with the big club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxtalker999 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 10:35 AM) Who knows, maybe the money saved from Q and Frazier goes to Nats to get better prospect for DRob I thought that money might have been earmarked for Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 10:31 AM) You know Boston is only team that has/will express interest and you want to create an opening for Moncada I see very little reason to bring Moncada up right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) I see very little reason to bring Moncada up right now. Main reason is I have tickets Tuesday so it'd be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 The fact that it's not done yet makes me wonder whether it's more complex than being reported - some sort of Reliever + Frazier package or something similar? Red Sox have a 4:05 game against the Yankees (so important), so you would think they would've wanted it done last night if possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) Main reason is I have tickets Tuesday so it'd be nice. Haha, fair enough. But I'd honestly keep him there until mid next year unless a need presents itself. Let's save his service time while we do this tank the right way. I don't really want to see him in Chicago this season at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 15, 2017 -> 09:01 AM) Haha, fair enough. But I'd honestly keep him there until mid next year unless a need presents itself. Let's save his service time while we do this tank the right way. I don't really want to see him in Chicago this season at this point. Mid next year seems a bit extreme unless they decide to pull him off 2b. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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