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QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 2, 2018 -> 02:41 PM)
I really can't believe that Hue Jackson is still the HC.

 

I know it. The guy has thrown his team under the bus all season, rarely took accountability, concocted a mind boggling dumbass game plan week to week making a concerted effort to NOT get the ball to their best players on a week to week basis (in 10 games this year, Duke Johnson got the ball fewer than 10 times). The way he handled the young QB (who I honestly don't think is that good) was a travesty. The guy was an absolute mess, that franchise is a mess, probably 1 of the very few clearly with worse ownership than the Bears.

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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 2, 2018 -> 04:24 PM)
Nagy & McDaniels are definitely the right names to be looking at. Hope we get one of them.

Defilippo is a FA at the end of the year I believe. Makes things interesting because not only could he be a HC candidate, he could also actually be a potential OC candidate (say for a Toub). Or heck, even Nagy could look at him and have him as the OC. I don't know if that would be as interesting to Defilippo.

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I would hate to ignore Arizona's DC James Betcher. Arians is lobbying hard for him to be the next head coach of the Cardinals. He is really good and flat out runs an aggressive and exciting defense and his unit has ranked extremely well each of the past few years (since taking over for Bowles).

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 2, 2018 -> 08:44 PM)
I would hate to ignore Arizona's DC James Betcher. Arians is lobbying hard for him to be the next head coach of the Cardinals. He is really good and flat out runs an aggressive and exciting defense and his unit has ranked extremely well each of the past few years (since taking over for Bowles).

Given that priority 1 is Trubisky I have to think they'll go offense.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 2, 2018 -> 05:20 PM)
Given that priority 1 is Trubisky I have to think they'll go offense.

So if you were to hire an offensive-minded young coach, then to me, the bigger hire is your d-coordinator than your o-coordinator. If you can get DeFillipo or LeFluer or Nagy or McDaniels, and then someone who knows what the hell they are doing with the 3-4 but with a little bit more experience, to me, that is the ideal move.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 2, 2018 -> 05:20 PM)
Given that priority 1 is Trubisky I have to think they'll go offense.

I agree with that, but I am not going to ignore defenses. I agree a lot of risk exists with an OC leaving (shift of systems, etc), but the HC is such a different skill-set than a coordinator as well. Ultimately we have to find a good head coach. Whether they are offensive or defensive centric doesn't matter as long as they can bring in the right assistants on the other side of the ball.

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QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 2, 2018 -> 05:29 PM)
So if you were to hire an offensive-minded young coach, then to me, the bigger hire is your d-coordinator than your o-coordinator. If you can get DeFillipo or LeFluer or Nagy or McDaniels, and then someone who knows what the hell they are doing with the 3-4 but with a little bit more experience, to me, that is the ideal move.

Yep, like the rams hiring old man Phillips for their DC job last year. Great hire so McVay could entirely focus on the offense (at least initially). I think if you go with a younger specialist on one side of the ball, you have to give them a really good, real veteran specialist coordinator on the other side of the ball.

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QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Jan 2, 2018 -> 11:40 PM)
I despise all of the "hot names" in coaching this offseason. Have a horrible feeling whoever they pick, they are doomed. Pick a name out of a hat, why dontcha, because everyone's getting s***canned in 2020.

 

Well, why? They are all great candidates.

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QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jan 3, 2018 -> 08:47 AM)
Not saying they won't be good coaches, but I would be nervous hiring anyone from the Patriots staff.

 

It has a rough track record.

 

Yeah, it's hard to figure out. On one hand, it could be working with a fallacy that because the first four failed (am I missing any from Crennel, Weis, Mangini, McDaniels) all will fail. After all, Reid has had 4 coaches from his tree fail (Shurmur, Frazier, Childress, Spagnuolo) but many succeed.

 

And the first four failing may have been a huge blessing to Belicheck. What other team with as much success as them has had as much continuity last several years?

 

But, you wonder if Reid delegates more and allows more freedom to learn how to coach, and Belicheck has a strict system that these guys are just operating under and have no idea how to set it up themselves.

 

I'm open to this round being successful but they make me nervous. I kinda think Patricia will be better than mcdaniels, as he seems less built on himself having a brilliant system then just kinda knowing how to make pieces work.

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It's a tough question.

 

I don't quite get the McDaniels love. He has a good offensive mind, but it's not like Brady struggled without him. Also, McDaniels had arguably one of the worst runs at head coaching. He was a complete disaster.

 

Not saying he won't be better next time. It would just make me really nervous to hire him.

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QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jan 3, 2018 -> 09:45 AM)
It's a tough question.

 

I don't quite get the McDaniels love. He has a good offensive mind, but it's not like Brady struggled without him. Also, McDaniels had arguably one of the worst runs at head coaching. He was a complete disaster.

 

Not saying he won't be better next time. It would just make me really nervous to hire him.

Who knows? Pete Carroll was pretty much a flop until he wasn't. It was 3 years ago most thought John Fox was a really good idea. Maybe you have to be lucky as well. His staff is going to be important as well. I still think the key considering Trubisky is now basically thought of as the franchise by the front office, is going to be the OC.

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QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Jan 2, 2018 -> 09:40 PM)
I despise all of the "hot names" in coaching this offseason. Have a horrible feeling whoever they pick, they are doomed. Pick a name out of a hat, why dontcha, because everyone's getting s***canned in 2020.

I think the ultimate success is going to rest heavily on Pace and his ability to acquire talent and obviously, the coaches will play a key role in coaching that talent up, etc. There are stark differences between being a head coach and being a coordinator and that is why many excellent coordinators fail miserably as head coaches. You also have to have some form of talent. One reason I like Toub is that I think he has a strong attention to detail and in a special teams role has to regularly work with all the various members of the coaching staff, etc. Toub has also worked with a lot of good coaches and with many solid coordinators which should give him a good ability to bring in very good specialists (again, very important). The reality is there are things to like about many of these guys, but we are all reading articles, etc. None of us know these people and are going through the detailed interview process but its probably still a lot like any other interview...somewhere in the process, there is quite a bit of luck involved as to whether you got a good candidate or a not so good candidate (all the diligence, etc, can only go so far when people haven't been in this ultimate position in the past).

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 3, 2018 -> 10:28 AM)
Who knows? Pete Carroll was pretty much a flop until he wasn't. It was 3 years ago most thought John Fox was a really good idea. Maybe you have to be lucky as well. His staff is going to be important as well. I still think the key considering Trubisky is now basically thought of as the franchise by the front office, is going to be the OC.

 

I don't think most people thought John Fox was a good idea, but I get your point and agree. It's just tough to tell who will be a good coach and who won't. Same goes with college players, you have some what of an idea, but who really knows.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 3, 2018 -> 10:28 AM)
Who knows? Pete Carroll was pretty much a flop until he wasn't. It was 3 years ago most thought John Fox was a really good idea. Maybe you have to be lucky as well. His staff is going to be important as well. I still think the key considering Trubisky is now basically thought of as the franchise by the front office, is going to be the OC.

 

I actually think John Fox did exactly what people expected him to do. The team was an utter mess under Trestman, they stopped trying, they were fighting, it was a complete s*** show. The consensus was that Fox was a professional coach, and he would get them together to put out a true effort on the field, and for the most part they did. They loved playing for him. It was rare that they came out completely flat, usually when they lost big it was because of lack of talent, 4 QB turnovers, or his conservative game management. Which many people brought up the day he was hired, so that was never a surprise. Not a single person thought Fox was the next Super Bowl coach of the Bears, he was a placeholder. The results could have been better, but the tenure wasn't a surprise IMO.

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