Bob Sacamano Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) Link: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/09/whit...ek-holland.html Edited September 5, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I'll give Holland credit for taking the ball and not making excuses. Wish him well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Fry is a shock. Holland I am only surprised it took so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 He served his purpose: ate innings until our prospects were ready to take over. Would have been better if he pitched well and was traded for something but oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Baseball-wise, it made no sense to keep throwing him out there except to help the team lose, and I don't think they consciously want to do that, even though at this point, it probably is the better option. Although Covey is the same thing, with Beck. Fry probaby will be a gas can. Holberg will start, go 3 or 4 innings .... Give Holland a extra month off, and maybe someone gives him a chance next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Finally over. The tank season couldn't have happened without his contributions but maaaaaaaan was it hard to watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) Finally over. The tank season couldn't have happened without his contributions but maaaaaaaan was it hard to watch The incredible thing was he was really good for a little while, then was about as bad as can be for about as long as you will ever see on a major league team before he got the boot. Even tanking teams pull the plug a little faster. Edited September 5, 2017 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) Holland was a good clubhouse presence and didn't blame anyone but himself. He wasn't going to be here next year so his release makes baseball sense. I have concerns about Beck and Pelfrey also Edited September 5, 2017 by elrockinMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Gotta feel for Holland a bit. An A+ dude that took his struggles in stride. I followed him on snapchat all season and it was super cool to get an inside look inside the sox clubhouse, team plane, pregame activities, etc. Wish him the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 01:12 PM) Holland was a good clubhouse presence and didn't blame anyone but himself. He wasn't going to be here next year so his release makes baseball sense. I have concerns about Beck and Pelfrey also Whats there to be concerned about? Neither will be on the team next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Merkin thinks that's it for additional call ups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 01:14 PM) Merkin thinks that's it for additional call ups A little surprised no Goldberg. Other than that, not too surprising. I thought it was possible Danish would get a look out of the pen, but with his car accident, less surprising (even if injuries are indeed minor). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 If you want to know what the Sox are getting in Jace Fry, here's an in-person report with video from a couple months ago in BHAM. He's changed a bit since his pre-2nd-TJS days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 I still think Pelfrey is an alright bullpen piece since we dont' have anyone interesting he's blocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Was that the worst pitching season by a White Sox starter ever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaconOnAStick Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Doesn't seem like the org is even concerned with 2018 draft position much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 01:26 PM) Doesn't seem like the org is even concerned with 2018 draft position much. Because they released Holland? The Sox bullpen is still horrific. They're going to lose plenty of games. Top 4 pick is a lock, but Tigers coming on fast. Still think they'll finish with #3 pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 01:26 PM) Doesn't seem like the org is even concerned with 2018 draft position much. As keeper of the reverse standings, don't be worried. The Sox won't fall below 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 01:29 PM) As keeper of the reverse standings, don't be worried. The Sox won't fall below 3. Keeper? There's a link you can click on on the very first post in that topic that shows the reverse standings haha Edited September 5, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 01:22 PM) Was that the worst pitching season by a White Sox starter ever? Plus he was an absolute asshole on top of being f***ing awful. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/navarja01.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 01:34 PM) Plus he was an absolute asshole on top of being f***ing awful. https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/n/navarja01.shtml Kinda surprised Holland's was "only" 6.2 ERA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 Holland's ERA on June 1 was 2.37. 9.32 after. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 01:41 PM) Holland's ERA on June 1 was 2.37. 9.32 after. Yes. It probably was the worst 3 month stretch a starting pitcher ever had without being yanked from the rotation for the White Sox. Jaime Navarro might have been worse overall. I do recall a game when he gave up 8 or 9 runs that he actually complained about run support. But I doubt he had a stretch that bad that long. Edited September 5, 2017 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 01:41 PM) Holland's ERA on June 1 was 2.37. 9.32 after. Do we know how that happened? Was he extremely lucky to start the year or was there an injury or velocity drop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted September 5, 2017 Share Posted September 5, 2017 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 5, 2017 -> 01:57 PM) Do we know how that happened? Was he extremely lucky to start the year or was there an injury or velocity drop? It was mainly luck. His peripherals were always garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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