southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 If we could get him to swear off his opt out, I might be willing to listen to a blockbuster type of deal, but the deal as is... awful. If he is good he is gone, if he isn't his deal could well kill our rebuild almost single handedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 01:36 PM) I dunno if it counts, but I feel like Sanchez has a better chance of filling the 3b spot until Berger is ready than Engel does of filling the CF spot. Maybe Leury takes over that spot out in CF, but that's my favorite weak spot right now. Luis Robert projects to the CF spot, so I like the future there much better than at 3B with Burger. I see Leury as the stopgap to Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 02:59 PM) Luis Robert projects to the CF spot, so I like the future there much better than at 3B with Burger. I see Leury as the stopgap to Robert. Ok, I wasn't thinking about him since I'm thinking he's a 2020 arrival or maybe later, hard to judge until we get some real game experience for him this year. Makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 12:17 PM) Stanton makes zero sense for the White Sox. Their OF of the future is pretty shored up. It's 3B that poses the biggest long term concern (enter Manny Machado next offseason). I don't think the Sox should trade for Stanton, but has any of this shored up OF played a MLB game yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (Quin @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 01:57 PM) It'd be borderline insanity to lock up this much money, but... C - Collins 1B - Abreu 2B - Moncada SS - Anderson 3B - Machado LF - Stanton CF - Robert RF - Jimenez DH - Garcia Would be a pretty fun lineup I think borderline insane would be putting it lightly. No chance we spend that much on two players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 02:43 PM) I don't think the Sox should trade for Stanton, but has any of this shored up OF played a MLB game yet? "Of the future" implies that those players are not on the MLB roster. That said, which group makes you more comfortable moving forward: A. Garcia L. Garcia Cordell Delmonico Tilson Engel Jimenez Polo Fisher Call Rutherford Robert OR Sanchez Burger Edited November 20, 2017 by Dam8610 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (steveno89 @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 01:51 PM) I think borderline insane would be putting it lightly. No chance we spend that much on two players. Also something about the last decade plus tells me that it would also fail spectacularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Craig MishVerified account @CraigMish Source : Giants/Marlins names exchanged in potential Stanton deal : (SF) 2B Joe Panik, Top Prospects SP Tyler Beede & OF Chris Shaw. (Mia) Stanton & 2B Dee Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 03:04 PM) Also something about the last decade plus tells me that it would also fail spectacularly. Agreed. Machado given his age when he hits the market, not to mention his position is a lot easier to get behind though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 02:33 PM) Craig MishVerified account @CraigMish Source : Giants/Marlins names exchanged in potential Stanton deal : (SF) 2B Joe Panik, Top Prospects SP Tyler Beede & OF Chris Shaw. (Mia) Stanton & 2B Dee Gordon. White Sox equivalent is about Yolmer Sanchez, Carson Fulmer, and Nicky Delmonico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 02:38 PM) White Sox equivalent is about Yolmer Sanchez, Carson Fulmer, and Nicky Delmonico. The Giants would be taking on somewhere around $335 to $350 million in future obligations on the top end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 01:59 PM) "Of the future" implies that those players are not on the MLB roster. That said, which group makes you more comfortable moving forward: A. Garcia L. Garcia Cordell Delmonico Tilson Engel Jimenez Polo Fisher Call Rutherford Robert OR Sanchez Burger I wouldn't argue that 3B appears to be a bigger concern than OF. I just try not to count the chickens. Edited November 20, 2017 by Leonard Zelig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I don't like Stanton going to the Giants. His power numbers would drop playing there 81 games a year, plus the 8-10 at SD. Obviously going to Coors and Chase helps a bit, but still. Stanton is good defensively though (+45 career DRS in the outfield) so he'll be able to man it well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 02:41 PM) The Giants would be taking on somewhere around $335 to $350 million in future obligations on the top end. And that's why it's not a good idea. It will never be about the prospects, because the Sox won't really be trading anyone within even their top 15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (ypres @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 02:44 PM) I don't like Stanton going to the Giants. His power numbers would drop playing there 81 games a year, plus the 8-10 at SD. Obviously going to Coors and Chase helps a bit, but still. Stanton is good defensively though (+45 career DRS in the outfield) so he'll be able to man it well. The guy's power plays anywhere. Miami isn't quite a hitter's park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 03:38 PM) White Sox equivalent is about Yolmer Sanchez, Carson Fulmer, and Nicky Delmonico. For Stanton AND Gordon? That's not a bad price. But Stanton's contract is terrible for the White Sox timeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 03:59 PM) For Stanton AND Gordon? That's not a bad price. But Stanton's contract is terrible for the White Sox timeline. Yeah, that deal makes us better next year, but I'm not sure it does long term. Given the choice I think we're more likely to have ballplayers on our next competitive team from those 3 players than from Stanton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 12:06 PM) There's an interesting team at #1 here... ESPN: Finding the best spot for Giancarlo Stanton My God he does look good in that uniform. Too bad. A move like this will not & should not happen until 19/2020. The only way I'd deal for him is if we somehow were able to give Yolmer and Fulmer for Stanton and about $80-90MM, which isn't happening. Edited November 20, 2017 by Soxnfins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxnfins Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 02:46 PM) The guy's power plays anywhere. Miami isn't quite a hitter's park. This. Very true. I think if he'd play at the Cell (Rate) he could very well reach 65 bombs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 It’s really interesting because in a way getting a guy like Stanton makes some of the prospects more disposable. Plus then you can trade Avi to recoup some prospect value. And of course the 4th overall pick helps. Obviously youre not giving up any of Moncada, Eloy, Kopech, Giolito or Lopez. But the rest of the top prospects beyond Collins I would entertain at least. Do you really need Rutherford if you get Stanton? Is it worth sending away a guy like Cease that’s electric but looks like a reliever? Guys like Yolmer also have value to a rebuilding team but less so to us. Or even Delmonico since he’s likely to eventually lose the job. My biggest concern (beyond the length) is actually the opt-out if you commit to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmarComing25 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Maybe if the opt out was a couple years later it might make more sense, but it's basically right when our window (hopefully) opens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 Why would he even opt out though? It seems unlikely to me that he'd get the remainder of his current contract on the open market, even if he keeps playing like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 04:12 PM) Why would he even opt out though? It seems unlikely to me that he'd get the remainder of his current contract on the open market, even if he keeps playing like this. Especially with his injury history. If he believed in himself he could maybe play well to get opt out, shorter, higher AAV deal and try for 2 more contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Nov 20, 2017 -> 03:59 PM) For Stanton AND Gordon? That's not a bad price. But Stanton's contract is terrible for the White Sox timeline. I'd do it if I could flip Gordon. Thoughts on what he'd pull on the market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Mark FeinsandVerified account @Feinsand 6h6 hours ago Source says Marlins and Giants have had "deeper discussions" on a Giancarlo Stanton deal. Believes Giants are favorites to land the NL MVP, though Cardinals may still be a factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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