Jack Parkman Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:15 PM) He never mentioned a specific player before He's not allowed to, so why would he open himself up to tampering accusations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Hahn never says anything definitive either way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Hearing nothing close with White Sox. Just talks here. And they won’t be trading top prospects for one year of Machado. https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/940753574082105344 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:18 PM) True, but one could easily infer or narrow down who it could’ve been I am not going to argue semantics but now we for sure know one target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:19 PM) He's not allowed to, so why would he open himself up to tampering accusations? My point exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 05:31 PM) Hearing nothing close with White Sox. Just talks here. And they won’t be trading top prospects for one year of Machado. https://twitter.com/ChuckGarfien/status/940753574082105344 Aka: duh duh duh duh du duh. Duh duh duh duh duh duh. And duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh duh Machado. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:08 PM) They were widely regarded as runners-up to Texas in the A-Rod sweepstakes in 2000. They offered 8/196. I remember that vividly, it isn't unprecedented. That is $56 million short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:09 PM) We were also right there on Tanaka. I want to say the Yankees offered another year and couple of million per year more than anyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:09 PM) That is $56 million short. Well yeah, but Texas blew everyone away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Jack Parkman @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:10 PM) Well yeah, but Texas blew everyone away. In a bidding war like this second place doesn't matter if you are the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:10 PM) In a bidding war like this second place doesn't matter if you are the White Sox. Of course, and I think KW and Hahn are probably having conversations about how that went down. IIRC, the animosity between KW and Boras stemmed from A-Rod not signing here. In 2000, the Sox were a young team that just won their division with the #1 farm system in baseball. KW was angry that he didn't have the opportunity to make his offer competitive. Do I think they would have beat Texas' offer? No, but I think they might have gone to 10/225, which might have gotten the job done because of team circumstances. Edited December 13, 2017 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:09 PM) That is $56 million short. We came in second place though and might have gone higher, Boras just straight up hustled the Rangers. Edited December 13, 2017 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 What’s the most everyone would give up in a Machado trade assuming a 72 negotiating window? I’d probably be willing to do something like Rutherford & Spencer Adams if I had to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 06:34 PM) What’s the most everyone would give up in a Machado trade assuming a 72 negotiating window? I’d probably be willing to do something like Rutherford & Spencer Adams if I had to. I’d do Cease and Dunning if I got the window. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:48 PM) I’d do Cease and Dunning if I got the window. Lol it wouldn't be that simple. If teams could get a window, the price goes up. Other teams could beat that. Edited December 13, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beautox Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:34 PM) What’s the most everyone would give up in a Machado trade assuming a 72 negotiating window? I’d probably be willing to do something like Rutherford & Spencer Adams if I had to. Cease and Fulmer/Adams is where I personally would be at for a 72 hour window and in terms of a contract 350M with an opt out after 4 years and a complete NTC. Move him to short and move TA to 3B/OF I would also be blowing up Miami for Yelich, going off of last years #'s his surplus value is roughly 95.5M. Move Abreu and Avisail for prospects add them to the offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:54 PM) Cease and Fulmer/Adams is where I personally would be at for a 72 hour window and in terms of a contract 350M with an opt out after 4 years and a complete NTC. Move him to short and move TA to 3B/OF I would also be blowing up Miami for Yelich, going off of last years #'s his surplus value is roughly 95.5M. Move Abreu and Avisail for prospects add them to the offer. They want 2 arms for one year of Machado. With a window to negotiate and possibly come to a long-term deal, why would people think it wouldn't take more? Edited December 13, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:48 PM) I’d do Cease and Dunning if I got the window. I could live with this and it fits the rumored “two controllable arms” asking price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:50 PM) Lol it wouldn't be that simple. If teams could get a window, the price goes up. Other teams could beat that. How much is a team going to pay in prospects to then pay Machado market price? Obviously there’s value to having the negotiating window, just not sure what that price would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:58 PM) How much is a team going to pay in prospects to then pay Machado market price? Obviously there’s value to having the negotiating window, just not sure what that price would be. I don't really know but it just seems like that could be beat. Say by the Cardinals for example who almost just took on majority of the Stanton deal. Fulmer and Cease just seems low as it seems both seem more destined to be relievers than starters long-term. Edit: eh I shouldn't have said that about Fulmer but his value isn't high at all currently anyway. Edited December 13, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:58 PM) How much is a team going to pay in prospects to then pay Machado market price? Obviously there’s value to having the negotiating window, just not sure what that price would be. Teams pay a hell of a lot at the trade deadline for a player like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:00 PM) I don't really know but it just seems like that could be beat. Say by the Cardinals for example who almost just took on majority of the Stanton deal. Fulmer and Cease just seems low as it seems both seem more destined to be relievers than starters long-term. Granting a negotiating window does not equate to some notion of surplus value or control, however. I understand it provides additional leverage for the Os but it doesn’t exactly equate to Machado + years and years of affordable control. Dunning and Cease are two valuable commodities that greatly exceed what the Yankees just gave up for Stanton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 09:07 PM) Granting a negotiating window does not equate to some notion of surplus value or control, however. I understand it provides additional leverage for the Os but it doesn’t exactly equate to Machado + years and years of affordable control. Dunning and Cease are two valuable commodities that greatly exceed what the Yankees just gave up for Stanton. Eh I still say it can get beat. O's would pretty much have to take different kinds of offers with teams: straight one year rental and then offers with a negotiating window. And then weigh which offer they think is the best and then go through the negotiation window stage. Personally, I think it's moot since Machado probably wants to go to free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:48 PM) I'd do Cease and Dunning if I got the window. Roughly what the Yankees gave up for Stanton should be the market to give someone $300 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 07:21 PM) Roughly what the Yankees gave up for Stanton should be the market to give someone $300 million. Do you value the players the same way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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